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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Phoebe Bump, Feb 28, 2013.

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Yep! IT threatened to reduce gun sales

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    And my contention is that that phrase is what is known in the industry as "weasel words"

    Words that seem innocent on the surface but carry a lot of damage when applied
     
    Bowerbird, Mar 8, 2013
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My contention is that your and the gun control lobby's framing of a law that denies public funds to be used by the CDC to promote gun control as "suppressing research" is an agenda driven lie.
     
    tomfoo13ry, Mar 8, 2013
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  3. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Then let us agree to disagree on this
     
    Bowerbird, Mar 8, 2013
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  4. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Meta777, Mar 9, 2013
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  5. tomfoo13ry

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    tomfoo13ry, Mar 9, 2013
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  6. LoneStrSt8

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    LoneStrSt8, Mar 9, 2013
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  7. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Baloney? Untruthful? Are you kidding me?

    That study is the text-book example of what the NRA will attempt to block using that law.
    When it was released the NRA went on a campaign to have the entire CDC institution eliminated,
    and when that didn't work they had it defunded instead claiming that the research was political. That is the truth.
    And that specific study was attacked by the NRA itself and cited as a reason for why the CDC should be shut down.
    So, speaking of research, do you two do any research at all yourselves before claiming other people's posts are untruthful baloney?

    And tomfoo13ry, don't go labeling me "anti-gun" unless you want me to start going around calling you anti-life.

    -Meta

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    Straw-man, ad hominem (appeal to motive), and false dichotomy.

    I never claimed that it couldn't be conducted, though it seems apparent that privately funded institutions either do not have the willingness or adequate funds to conduct the types of studies that the scientists say we need.
    Add to that, the issue of impartiality and bias could then come into play depending upon the specific private institution in question.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Mar 9, 2013
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  8. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you are actually saying that studies funded by the Obama Administration would have no issue of impartiality and bias?
     
    Hoosier8, Mar 9, 2013
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  9. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    No, I'm not saying that, but I am saying that a private institution that had a financial stake in the outcome or a privately funded advocacy group (an actual advocacy group) would be more likely to be biased or at the least present an appearance of such.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Mar 9, 2013
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  10. Bowerbird

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    Who pays? It is easy to get a drug company to pay for research if they will benefit but who is going to pay for something that not only would they not get benefit from but may cost some their livelihood? I am betting that virtually every Rotary club in America would have or know their local gun shop owner and so getting money from them would be problematic. Same with people like the Koch Brothers - think they would fund studies like this?

    This is EPIDEMIOLOGY - same process that looks at infant deaths across the country and says "hang on there were 10 babies killed by getting their heads trapped between the mattress of the cot and the rails - we better contact the manufacturers and get the designs changed"

    That sort of study is hard to get industry funding for
     
    Bowerbird, Mar 9, 2013
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  11. Bowerbird

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    Are you claiming that the CDC is biased??
     
    Bowerbird, Mar 9, 2013
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    There is no need for mathematics or interpretation. The stats just are what they are. You can see them for yourself, so I'm not even sure what you are arguing at this point.

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    What are you talking about exactly? My point was that just having the means to do harm, as we all do, will not cause you to go actually cause harm. Most people don't want to hurt other people.
    As for the constitution, it does "allow" us to do anything. Read the wording of the amendments. They contain phrases like "Congress shall pass no law that...", because the intent of the constitution is to limit government intrusion, not specify what rights people have.
     
    apoptosis, Mar 9, 2013
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  13. Bowerbird

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    Yep and your statistics from the CDC say

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

    Compare that to Australia

     
    Bowerbird, Mar 9, 2013
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    They are part of the Administration.
     
    Hoosier8, Mar 9, 2013
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    Those weren't my statistics. My statistics were from the top police agency in the US, not the centers for disease control.
    You are aware that there is a difference between death and homicide right? Are you disputing the number of homicides? If so, find a source that is about homicide specifically.
     
    apoptosis, Mar 9, 2013
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  16. LoneStrSt8

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    Maybe if I called it bull****,you'd understand what I meant

    NRA wanted to abolish the CDC.....uh huh
     
    LoneStrSt8, Mar 9, 2013
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  17. Bowerbird

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    Why not? Everything is pointing to the fact that the NRA is an amoral ruthless group of greedy manipulative capitalistic (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s who would sell their own grandmothers for body parts
     
    Bowerbird, Mar 9, 2013
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  18. Bowerbird

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    So, I am open to new ideas - convince me that the NRA acts in a moral way.
     
    Bowerbird, Mar 9, 2013
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    Why?...you've already proven to be biased and easily swayed by anti gun propaganda

    Your visceral hatred of all things NRA has shown this..
     
    LoneStrSt8, Mar 9, 2013
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  20. Bowerbird

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    Still putting the offer out there - change my mind
     
    Bowerbird, Mar 9, 2013
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    Not worth the effort....you've proven to be non receptive
     
    LoneStrSt8, Mar 9, 2013
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  22. Bowerbird

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    Ah! then I understand - mission impossible
     
    Bowerbird, Mar 9, 2013
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    The NRA has figured out how to make a lot of money over the last 30+ years. Even so, they and their children's children will pay the price for what they've done. :(
     
    Johnny-C, Mar 9, 2013
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    'The current law reads: “None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”'

    I don't see why you have a problem with that. Anyone can research whatever they want. Nothing is being suppressed. You just can't use public funds to push a political agenda. You'll just have to learn to deal with that. If you want more promotion of gun control then put up your own money and have at it.
     
    tomfoo13ry, Mar 9, 2013
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The CDC can conduct all the epidemiological studies that it wants. What it can't do is use taxpayer funds to promote gun-control. They also can't use public funds to advocate against contraception or to advocate for vegetarianism. If you want to promote such things then donate your money to the appropriate organizations. Don't demand that other people's money be spent on such nonsense.
     
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