The phased plan for Israel's destruction

most soviet Jews came to Israel after 1980

 

Well here are two depositions in 'Oxford" that would sustain that the Jews have gotten the wrong end of the stick, please watch and debate...

Dennis Prager - Hamas is a Greater Obstacle to Peace Than Israel At Oxford Union

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjK9U-ZVvGo

 

Dennis Prager= bigoted POS

 

Israel won't commit ethnic cleansing or genocide since it doesn't want to commit suicide since the fact is all countries would stop supporting Israel if it did that. Beside that it would spark a wider regional war with Arab countries with a good chance of the state of Israel ending. Again they seem content with creeping annexation since there isn't a high price to pay for it. On a sidenote, wars and genocide have been getting lower historically.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?...-deaths-war-and-murder-are-decline-180950237/
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...nd_lines_reveal_an_increasingly_peaceful.html
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/12/11/3036671/2013-certainly-year-human-history/
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/history-and-the-decline-of-human-violence/

Ronstar at beginning of form said occupation means suicide of Israel. What he said is what most of the security establishment have said with Ehud Barak(Israel's most decorated soldier) stating "As long as in this territory west of the Jordan river there is only one political entity called Israel it is going to be either non-Jewish, or non-democratic," Barak said. "If this bloc of millions of (*)Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state." Former head of Aman(military intelligence) and famed pilot Amos Yadlan states "there is no peace, and no two-state solution, then [Israel] will be destroyed.” Former. Deputy National Security Adviser: Israela Oron, The creation of a Palestinian state is “absolutely essential” because it is “a condition for the existence of the state of Israel.” Former commander of Israeli air force Eitan Ben Eliyahu "To save the Zionist enterprise, Israel must put a border between itself and the vast majority of the Palestinian people." Without the creation of a Palestinian state, Israel will experience “the end of the Zionist dream, and the Jewish state will be lost." Widow of Moshe Dayan; Ruth Dayan also said "We bult this country inch by inch, and we lost so many lives. We built public and social institutions, schools, factories. What's goinig on today is awful. They're ruining this country. I am a proud Israeli. I've lived through every war, endured every movement of suffering, but I never stopped believing in peace. I lost friends and family members. I'm a peacemaker, but the current Israeli government does not know how to make peace. We move from war to war, and this will never stop. I think Zionism has run its course". Dov Yermiya former major lieutenant colonial in the IDF known for being critical of IDF during first Lebanese war in 2009 stated "Therefore I, a 95-year-old Sabra (native born Israeli Jew), who has plowed its fields, planted trees, built a house and fathered sons, grandsons and great-grandsons, and also shed his blood in the battle for the founding of the State of Israel, Declare herewith that I renounce my belief in the Zionism which has failed, that I shall not be loyal to the Jewish fascist state and its mad visions, that I shall not sing anymore its nationalist anthem, that I shall stand at attention only on the days of mourning for those fallen on both sides in the wars, and that I look with a broken heart at an Israel that is committing suicide and at the three generations of offspring that I have bred and raised in it. "
http://www.israelnsp.org/what-they-say/vital-for-israeli-security.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_Yermiya
http://www.newsweek.com/moshe-dayans-widow-ruth-zionist-dream-has-run-its-course-68099
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/03/barak-apartheid-palestine-peace

You also lack credibility when on previous posts you have argued that since the world has committed genocide in the past citing Nazi's genocide of Jews(along with other groups) as an example; Israel has a right to commit ethnic cleansing.

 

Idea of Democracy has never been all inclusive until modern times, in Greece only Male Citizen land owners could vote,same in Early America. I believe Israel can only survive if it remains a Democracy for Jews, with limited citizenship for some Arabs. If it loses support from some parts of the world, so be it, Zionism is more important then economics. America will never stop supporting Israel, no matter what. I mean no one is advocating genocide like the one committed in Germany, more of a Ethnic cleansing.

 

if Israel commits ethnic cleansing, the USA will turn its back on Israel.

 

I heard your opinion on this, but they would not. No one really cares about the Palestinians, if Israel does it fast and decisive enough people wont even have time to understand what happened. Move in tanks, level all their houses, destroy farms, end electric and water supplies. The people will leave themselves. Assad did worse, and no one did (*)(*)(*)(*). Jordanians killed 60000 people now they are US best friends. No one cares.

 

try it.

watch the support for Israel dry up in a second.

they woudl face very harsh international sanctions that the USA would join.

and the world Jewish community would abandon Israel.

 

You realize we aren't thousands of years ago in Greece or back in foundering days of America where slavery was legal and women were regarded as property? For Israel to be a Jewish and democratic state as noted by Israel's generals and most of foundering fathers the only way is to withdraw from most of West Bank. United States and rest of the world would stop supporting America if it committed ethnic cleansing(beside being immoral it would spark wider regional war with Arab world; it's why Israeli government will never do it; again they seem content with creeping annexation for example restricting building for Arabs residing in West Bank and demolishing their homes when they build while building settlements at same time since it doesn't pay a high price for it with United States remaining an allay with Israel and still giving billions of dollars ). I didn't say you advocated genocide like the Nazis did, you advocate ethnic cleansing by calling all Arabs that live in West Bank to be expelled. One of the reasons you have justified it in previous posts was because genocide has happened before in the world with you citing Nazis as one example it would be okay for Israel to commit ethnic cleansing. Israel already has Arab citizens 20% of population that has equal rights under the law(do you want to reduce their citizenship to limited?); The 2.78 million Arabs residing in West Bank don't have citizenship; granting them citizenship means turning Israel into binational/Arab state with Joint LIst(coalition of Communuist, Islamist, Arab nationalist) party the largest overnight. Not doing that continues system of apartheid(due to Arabs residing in West Bank being under military law while Israelis living nearby under civil law) in West Bank. This is why leaving most of West Bank is the only way for Israel to be truly a Jewish and Democratic state.

 

Unless your President of the US and Elder of Zion you cannot simply state that as fact, at least make an effort of backing it up with something.

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The world would be upset a little bit, but they would get over it. Once there is no going back, relationships will be rebuilt. Jordanians killed 60000 people 30 years ago or so, and now they are our buddy buddy. Eliminate the Arabs from Israel, deal with backlash for 10 - 15 years but its worth it compared to dealing with the Arabs for the next 100.

 

it saddens me greatly, that descendents of Holocaust survivors and Holocaust victims, could actually fathom ethnic cleansing and genocide.

I guess we learned nothing from the Nazis.

 

We learned we need a state, we learned no one would help victims of genocide, we learned better them then us, and finally we learned you have to win.

 

most of us have learned the evil of racism.

most of us.

 

Is that supposed to mean something?

 

racism and hatred is evil.

some of us learned from the Nazis, how evil racism can get.

others learned that the Nazis were strong, had cool uniforms, cool banners, and are to be emulated.

its a shame that racism was ended with WW2. maybe we will have to go to war with it again

 

The majority of Jews live in peace in the Diaspora, they don't need a Zionist state.
Israel was created because the world wanted to help the victims of genocide, otherwise there would not of been the support to create Israel.
If you become the oppressors you have not ended oppression just role changed for a short while.
All you have won is an undefended position, you better pray that the Arabs never really unite, because if they do the bloodbath will be terrible.

 

if israel committed ethnic cleansing, Diaspora Jews would be forced to abandon Israel

 

And worse than that I really think the Jews in the Diaspora would suffer terrible antisemitism again, completely unfairly again. I hope I am wrong.

 

oh, if Israel committed ethnic cleansing, the Jews of the Diaspora would suffer from terrorism and pogroms to punish us for Israel's crimes.

 

"Unless your President of the US and Elder of Zion you cannot simply state that as fact, at least make an effort of backing it up with something."
Ronstar never cited elder of Zion. He is stating the simple fact that if Israel committed ethnic cleansing the world would stop supporting Israel. It's why Israeli government would never do it. Beside being immoral Israel expelling all the West Bank wouldn't make any logical sense since again you cut off support from rest of the world and spark a wider regional Arab war that Israel would suffer a lot of causalities if not lose. In contrast Israel seems content with creeping annexation as there isn't a high price to pay for it.

"The world would be upset a little bit, but they would get over it. Once there is no going back, relationships will be rebuilt. Jordanians killed 60000 people 30 years ago or so, and now they are our buddy buddy. Eliminate the Arabs from Israel, deal with backlash for 10 - 15 years but its worth it compared to dealing with the Arabs for the next 100. "
It wouldn't go back or get over no Western country would support Israel after it committed ethnic cleansing(assuming it would survive wider regional Arab war that would be sparked caused by ethnic cleansing you propose). The Jordanians during Black September in 1970 was fighting PLO; terrorist group that was becoming state within a state. You call for expelling all Arabs from West Bank(if not in Israel proper too since you never answered me on what you would with Arabs that are Israeli citizens) regardless of whether they are terrorist or not.

 

By who, you? Do you have any idea whatsover how many people like me exist, with military and weapons training, who will be flying into Israel on a few hours' notice to defend her? FAR more of us than all of the jewhating trash put together, especially those on internet forums eager and shouting for her destruction, that much I can assure you.

 

From the person who defends the fat, lazy, incompetent and wholly corrupt KSA....

Dear, where would your precious KSA be without the US f--king army and navy defending it for the last 70 years?

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Another one with zero facts. 1/2 of Israel are mizrahi jews, deported from arab muslim countries.

Say, when are they going to be compensated for all of their property stolen by the arab muslims?

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Let us know when the arab muslims start following it. It'd be the first time, ever.

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Waaaahaaaaaaaa....the pathetic nonsensical crying here is just that, pathetic.

No comment on the widespread arab polls in the west bank and gaza showing widespread support for the destruction of Israel? For support of terrorism? No complaints about that, eh?

 

All of a sudden you give a crap about mass slaughter? Are other genocides also an issue for you, or just the one by jews that you conjured in your mind? Like the ones being currently perpetrated by the arab muslims against the yazidis? Oh that's right, no jews involved, got it....

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And those same morons ignore the abject racism of the 22 arab muslim nations, who have excelled in ethnically cleansing their non-muslim minorities - which you refuse to acknowledge. Pathetic.

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And when have they?

 

After all of the terrorism israel has endured, I don't think so. You'd like to think you speak for anyone but yourself, but sadly for you, you really don't.

 

Seriously. Armenia ethnically cleansed all of its muslims in the mid-90s, endured a few years of EU sanctions which were shortly lifted, and that was that.

How many arab nations have deported all of the pal arabs, like five at last count? Notice the anti-Israel parrots never chirp about those situations, nor do they mention assad mass bombing the pals in latakia or yarmouk; its all jews, all the time. This site resembles stormfront at this point, just really not very appealing.