The Pittsburgh Steelers football team will remain in the locker room during the National Anthem

I'm sorry the Olympics are about athletics, the NFL is entertainment for the sole benefit of the spectator who pays for the distraction from reality. No part of an NFL game is about individual sacrifice or individual athletic ability, players are no different than Cirque du Soleil performers. The NFL is scripted and individual accomplishment is cultivated and artifically allowed.

It's fantasy. It's theater.

 

It's just ongoing bullshit from last year and that's the bottom line! Trump is just another excuse is all, and yes, he loves to throw gas on a fire, and in this case it's a winner!

 

I don't believe you read my post before you responded. I very clearly said athletes protesting political issues has been going on for a long time. I remember raised fists in 1968.

My dad was a cop. Even he would tell you that police aren't perfect and sometimes they do stupid things, make mistakes. When those mistakes get someone killed, it's concerning.

This quote from your post tells me all I need to know about your argument- "rich Black ball players grand standing."

Have a good day, ButterBalls.

 

You're certainly welcome to your opinion.

 

Oh I read Just didn't feel like strolling back half a century when I was called out for revisiting just a few year ago

While you have the Wayback Machine warmed up, what was Cassius Clay bitching about and the Olympiads? Surely it wasn't the pledge was is? I can still hear my pops voicing his opinion of Clay along with all his union brother at Ford Motor company, not pretty And if not for great efforts by Joe Frazier ALI would have never fought another fight on U.S. soil, so what's your point?

 

The less government we have the better it is possible to be

We have so much government in America today that it is impossible to be very good

And it often isn't

 

I doubt the crowd was "pre-emptively booing, just in case", but I am OK with them booing players and/or teams for their conduct.

The players did bring this on themselves and they're just going to put on their big boy pants and deal with the criticism they've brought on themselves, whether it be from the president, the fans or the general public. I'm glad to see that some players and teams are beginning to see the error of their ways.

As for the dog whistling of Trump's opponents and critics we've heard it all before. If the president walked across water his detractors would complain that he can't swim...

 

"Yesterday, some idiot on Twitter said he hoped kneeling would become the 'symbol of resistance' to PDT. Hmmm... So everywhere he goes, PDT would be confronted with people genuflecting before him, right? Apparently, the genius didn't think it through."


Dumbness rating: 1075 millikohns

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/371718.php#371718

 

They thinking left knows this is a big win win for Trump.

“Two polls conducted earlier this month found little support for quarterback Colin Kaepernick’s decision not to stand for the national anthem last year as a member of the San Francisco 49ers, the protest that initially prompted a few players to follow suit and then was emulated en masse in the NFL this past weekend.

In a Quinnipiac University poll last fall, 54 percent of Americans disapproved of athletes who refused to stand during the anthem as a protest, with just 38 percent approving. The survey found a “profound racial divide,” with black Americans 44 percentage points likelier than white Americans to approve of the protests. An even wider gap yawned along partisan lines, with Democrats 54 points likelier than Republicans to be supportive.”

HUFFINGTON POST, The Latest Wave Of NFL Protests Is Likely To Be Unpopular. That Shouldn't Be A Surprise., Ariel Edwards-Levy, September 25, 2017.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-wave-nfl-protests-likely-220239370.html

 

Smart move. Better to get up off the railroad tracks late than never.

 

Lewis plead guilty to obstruction IIRC, but the murder wasn't his, though it was all still a bad stigma that seemed to go away with each passing victory.

Somebody out there does.

Being animal lovers and having girlfriends or wives is also personal to lots of people, and there's a certain line people cross that you can't un-cross if they ever abuse animals or their spouses

He was locked up in arms with the rest of the Texans this Sunday at the Patriots.

Hey, it's their money......

 

LMFAO Perfect hahahah

 

You really need to educate yourself on the difference between free speech as an individual and protesting as an employee. How would you feel if a flight attendant decided to share their political beliefs on your flight? How about a teacher in classroom? Can they do it on their own time? Of course and no one is saying differently but it is the hijacking of a non political event and the insult to not only our flag but our intelligence that has angered many of us.

This strawman argument pretending this is a free speech issue is laughable. There isn't a single person anywhere saying any of these spoiled racist players cannot spew their disgust for white people and the flag on their own time. No one.

What we object to is hijacking a sports event for a fake and racist political position by insulting our country and whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of the country does view it as an insult.

And the NFL rules are very clear on the subject. They are required to stand despite some owners and the NFL saying otherwise the rules have already been printed and even Snopes had to acknowledge their mistake.

 

What a shocker. 63% of Democrats are cool with disrespecting our country...

 

Here's the thing, Kaepernick is not playing in the NFL now. He's not doing anything to protest now, and when he was, his employer didn't stop him. The NFL didn't stop him. So, just what education do you think I need? The funny thing about telling someone else they need to educate themselves usually comes back to bite them. You've fallen for fake news.

This controversy doesn't carry over into other jobs, although other jobs also allow free speech. This one is very specifically about the NFL, so your diatribe about flight attendants is a straw man.

If you object to sports being hijacked for fake political positions, I suggest you take it up with Trump. He's the one that spurred the recent protests.

 

Yeah, but the President didn't walk across water. He called other Americans SOBs and said they should be fired for doing something that is not against the rules of the league and is free speech.

 

Uh yes. We know that.

So if a cop gives you a warning instead of a ticket does that mean the law doesn't exist? Of course not.

LOL I've fallen for fake news?

Even snopes has had to admit it.



During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking.


UPDATE: Snopes.com claims that this rule does not, in fact, exist. The article cites the rule quoted above and reports "No such wording appears in the 2017 version of the Official Playing Rules of the National Football League."

Yet the NFL's Game Operations Manual -- the 200-plus book the league refers to as its "bible" -- is different than its rulebook. It is not available to the public. The rule cited above comes from the league itself, via the Washington Post.

The Post reported Sunday that the NFL confirmed the rule's existence but emphasized their ability to enforce it selectively:

Under the league rule, the failure to be on the field for the anthem may result in discipline such as a fine, suspension or loss of a draft pick. But a league official said the key phrase is “may” result, adding he won’t speculate on whether the Steelers would be disciplined.

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual, according to a league source.

https://news.grabien.com/story-roger-goodell-ignoring-leagues-own-rule-book-letting-players

Now what bois? Will you admit you were wrong now?

Wrong again. There is nothing specific to the NFL that makes this special and if you are going to continue that fallacy I challenge you to prove it.

I also challenge you to name me a single player who has lost his first amendment right to free speech since you are continuing this strawman claim. Go ahead, name one.


This is a simple case of inserting politics into a workplace and the fact you can't even admit it says it all.

Really. Did he start this controversy? Because I'm pretty sure it started with the players. So you are mad Trump pointed it out so you falsely blame him for the actions of others? That says so much.

 

I've done all I can do when I link and quote the information to you and you prefer to believe fake news over the truth. There is a reason Kaepernick wasn't fired, and I showed it to you. My link and quote also told you that there is a difference in the NFL Rule Book and the Game Operation Manual you are hanging your hat on. It's in the Game Operation Manual… as a RECOMMENDATION, just as my link and quote said. Again, there is a reason Kaepernick wasn't fired and neither were the 9 or so that also continued to protest this year.

Have a good day guavaball.

 

LOL, some folks can't see the forest for the trees.

 

Actually that's what I did for you.

What you showed was that they didn't enforce their own rules that's it.

No you didn't. You quoted an employee's interpretation not the actual rule.

You can keep claiming that if you like but there is no wording calling it a recommendation.

should
SHo͝od,SHəd/
verb

1. 1.
   used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness, typically when criticizing someone's actions.
   "he should have been careful"

Nothing in the word "should" even hints at it being a suggestion in any dictionary in the English language. What you've chosen to believe is the interpretation of an official instead of reading the actual rule quoted.

It kinda should have been a red flag for you that the explanation never came from their legal department.

Thanks.

 

And some would rather let someone else define a rule instead of actually reading it.

 

I'm not going to debate the meaning of the word "should" with you.

The person it quoted was Brian McCarthy, the NFL's Vice President for Communications.

Here's a few more from the same link:

That being said, I won't try to further dissuade you from your opinion. Carry on!

 

Exactly.

The Left first hijacks a respected institution,
Then they kill it and skin it.
Then they don the skins and demand we give them the same respect we once held for the Institution.

We won't pay to be insulted. Hollywood is learning this, why not ESPN and the NFL? These clowns have been screwing us on the city stadium deals anyway, this likely solves that.

 

I came across this elsewhere on the interwebz, but thought it was appropriate for this thread. Nate Boyer, a Special Forces Green Beret, wrote an open letter to Colin Kaepernick when he first began protesting by sitting down. After reading the letter, Kaepernick invited Boyer to San Diego and the two had a conversation about Kaepernick's protest. Boyer suggested kneeling instead of sitting during the National Anthem because In a military funeral, after the flag is taken off the casket of the fallen military member, it is smartly folded 13 times and then presented to the parents, spouse or child of the fallen member by a fellow service member while KNEELING. The two decided that kneeling for the flag would symbolize his reverence for those that paid the ultimate sacrifice while still allowing Colin to peacefully protest the injustices he saw.

Link to the open letter- http://www.armytimes.com/opinion/20...rnick-from-a-green-beret-turned-long-snapper/

Link to Boyer interview-

Link to video of kneeling to present the flag-

 

Smart. The dictionary always wins.

LOL Exactly. You are making my point and don't even realize it.

Its not the legal department who came out but the PR arm of the NFL who has a vested interest in defending the players. And this is who you trust for your interpretation instead of reading the rules yourself. Despite the fact there is no mention of recommendation anywhere or any other wording of an alternative position to take during the anthem. Funny how that works isn't it?

But you blindly trust the opinion of someone with an obvious political motive. Wow. Ah to each their own. Me personally, I'd rather read them for myself thanks.

Its not my opinion. Its the dictionary.