The Psychology Behind LGBT

Yep, all the same people in the APA and all the same supporters outside of the APA, its not a disorder, just an expression of ones sexuality, a fourth sexuality, pedophile. They were probably born that way.

 

No actually. The moment you feel aroused by another male (or female I don't know your gender) is the moment you are homosexual or bisexual.

 

That's a problem inherent in using the word 'homosexual'. It's general enough to describe a variety of feelings and behaviors.

One can participate in homosexual behavior without being gay, as the latter is a descriptor of identity tied to orientation. A singular same-sex act can be an isolated instance of behavior. It would be foolish to look at that one instance and declare that the person is 'gay' as a matter of identity/orientation.

Likewise, a singular instance of arousal or experiencing same-sex attraction doesn't necessarily mean the person has an enduring same-sex orientation or will identify as 'gay'.

For someone to be gay, they would have to accept that label as a descriptor of their orientation and identity. There's no shortage of people who we might deem gay as a matter of their enduring same-sex orientation, but who reject the label of 'gay'. There are people who identify as 'gay' or 'straight' whose orientation may include a degree of bisexuality, but whose choice of a label reflects which sex they are more strongly attracted to. Or in some cases, a person may identify as 'straight' as a matter of being unwilling to acknowledge that they really have a same-sex orientation; also known as "being in the closet".

Thus we can say that self-labeling of one's identity/orientation as 'gay' is a matter of choice, but this ignores the underlying reason for that choice of label, which is something the person doesn't choose or control - feelings of attraction.

In short, sexuality doesn't fit nicely into little boxes. It's messy, and language can be a barrier to understanding it when people attach differences in meaning to the words used to describe it - or when they purposely misuse labels in propaganda favoring or disfavoring some group.

 

At what point do you think Sambia men become homosexual?

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the moment they either take delivery or make a delivery

 

if that were the case then there a lot of murderers out there. In other words, people who would like to see someone dead but never actually killed anyone.

Nope, it takes the action itself to warrant the label and the same can be said about sex. How do you know for sure that you are a male heterosexual unless you've done the deed?

 

Even when it is a 10 year old boy who is forced to take the delivery? I suspect the preference doesn't develope until they go through puberty and start making the deliveries to their 10 yr old boy

 

nope. the action has nothing to do with it. before you had sex with a woman, were you straight?

 

nope, I was nothing

I choose to have sex with women and thus I'm straight.

What are monks who take vows of celibacy?

 

that would be called rape

 

you had no attraction of any kind? you didn't find women appealing? you didn't masterbate to fantasies of women? who are you trying to kid?

so you have no attraction to women what so ever? you simply choose who to have sex with? who are you trying to kid?

depends who they're attracted to. if they'r attracted to women, they're heterosexual. if they're attracted to men, they're homosexual.

 

Well, Id say thats what the Sambia men are doing to the boys, although they dont consider it to be rape and is instead a right of passage.

 

What does that have to do with the mindsets or actual normalcy of homosexual people (especially in western nations)??

You know, if we go around the world and find everything that seems culturally 'strange' or 'weird' to us (per se), we'd all have a very LONG list.

And I'm certain, laws covering sexual rights in various nations, will differ... for a VERY LONG TIME to come.

But what you're talking about above, doesn't have anything to do with 'gays' overall.

 

You are hopelessly trapped in that 20th century, 'they were born that way' mindset. Its the 21st century

This idea that sexual orientation is some kind of intrinsic, immutable trait of the individual is a western social construct.

 

this has nothing to do with my post

 

this has nothing to do with my post

 

Nothing. Why do you ask?

Sure it does. The Sambia men are conditioned to prefer boys. Along with the boys initiation into homosexual sex, they get a heavy dose of propaganda warning of the vile and unclean women are and how they could even die from heterosexual intercourse. Social conditioning can be even more determinative of this intrinsic "sexual orientation" than biology itself.
I suspect natural human sexual behavior, absent any social influences, would likely resemble bonobo chimps where sex is frequent, with many different partners and the providing and caring for offspring is purely the domain of females. The progressives cant wait to push us back to our roots.

 

Well, the problem with using gay is that it's associated with a subculture. It's like calling a black guy "gangsta" there isn't necessarily a correlation there. A person could be homosexual in all respects and have nothing to do with the gay subculture. You can be southern through and through and hate the southern culture. Or you could like heavy metal and not like the heavy metal culture that goes with it. To me, gay is the subculture, it's a whole list of thing that have nothing to do with sex whatsoever. I don't think we're talking about genetic determinism where having one biological trait -- race, sex, or sexuality -- determines every other aspect of personality and interests and favorite color. People just don't work that way. I suppose we need more words.

 

There is a cultural phenomenon going on in Sambia... that I doubt you understand and explain well enough, to try to make the correlation you do.

You aren't making any real sense about that.

 

Anywhere there's a culture, there is cultural phenomenon going on.

 

Interestingly, these cultures referenced almost always have something to do with older adult men and pre to early teen boys. What that has to do with homosexual behavior among adults, I don't know. It is also a ritual for rights of passage, and has relatively little to do with sexual preferences and romance.

I do agree with one thing though - that a society free of stigma from homosexuality would likely see more experimentation - the vast majority of people prefer heterosexuality, but there is more bisexual interest than people are aware of or let on. Which explains why those children raised by homosexuals often tend to experiment more as well, but tend to end up homosexual/heterosexual at the same rate as the general population.

The answer is that homosexual vs heterosexual preferences are biologically driven, but homosexual vs heterosexual behaviors themselves can be strongly influenced by society and culture. Hence, the sambia tribe and their homosexual behavior with pre-teens.

So while homosexual vs heterosexual behaviors can vary widely between cultures, what is interesting is that cross-culture, the rate of homosexuality among men who prefer men and women who prefer women in adulthood is approximately equal around the world.

 

People who don't know better may associate the word 'gay' with a subculture within the gay community as a form of stereotyping. But not everyone who identifies as gay would consider themselves a part of the subculture within the gay community. Myself included - I'm not part of the subculture, but I do identify as 'gay'.

Or, as I state above, you can be gay and not be part of the subculture within the broader gay community.

Pardon my bluntness, but what 'gay' is to you is frankly irrelevant. Gay is not the subculture. It's just that the subculture is what gets attention, so people mistakenly associate being gay with being a part of the subculture. And quite honestly, that even takes place within the gay community. Young people just coming out, being influenced by the same media as everyone else, think they have to participate in the subculture in order to gay. Some get the idea in their head that they aren't 'gay enough' - that they are a failure at being gay, because they don't identify with the subculture. I have witnessed this kind of thing first hand.

Well, it might surprise you, but being gay isn't just about how people have sex. It's also about who we love and with whom we choose to share our lives. Are heterosexuals only heterosexual in the bedroom? Or are their relationships a huge part of their lives and the lifestyle choices they make?

That said, I will grant you that many aspects of 'the gay lifestyle'/gay subculture aren't necessarily directly related to being gay. Which is why many gay people don't identify with the subculture. So-called 'gay subculture' seems very infused with characteristics of city life and living in insulated communities - the 'gayborhood' as it is sometimes called. I have more in common with the straight people living in the rural village I grew up near than I do with urban gay men and their subculture.

Which brings me to another point: The inability of some people to recognize the diversity present within the gay community. We are far more diverse than the portrayals of pride parades, drag queens, etc. would have you believe.

On that I think we can agree.

 

Their preferences continue through adulthood. Show Sambia men a picture of a woman and they are indifferent. Show them picture of a young boy and they become aroused.

 

A homosexual is one who prefers sex with people of the same sex. It wouldnt be just experimentation. Friend of mine, divorced, two kids, overweight and balding. Says after his divorce he dated for a coulple of years and although he desparately wanted a sexual relationship with all of them, he went without. One drunken night, a blow job from a gay aquaintance and now he is full blown homosexual. Says he gets laid all the time. Says sex with a woman he just met the same day is almost an impossibility. Whereas sex with some guy he met an hour ago is quite common. He prefers sex with men because it is available to him all the time, without strings attached. Sex with a woman is infrequent and generally has a net of strings attached.

 

I won't dispute any claims of professionals (not in my profession).... but many people have argued against the politically correct and are tried to be marginalized by the rest of the herd. Doesn't mean they conflicting reports don't have merit, just that it doesn't fit with the agenda

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