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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You forgot your logic, Sir RUS!!!!

    Hitler was in no position to conquer the world NOR Russia! That is a fact when you compare the military resources Hitler had with what Stalin had.

    Hitler would never have attacked Russia IF he didn't have to!!!!

    Hitler threw the Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS against Stalin in hopes he could stop Stalin. He also hoped Britain might help fight the Communists.

    Hitler did not attack because he thought "let's get ourselves some Lebensraum from the Russians."
    No, it was a live or die situation that had nothing to do with his dreams from 1923 in Mein Kampf!!!

    Are you getting it now, dear little RUS??
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    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    And what is new about this all please?
     
  3. RUS

    RUS Member

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    Let's compare the military resources Hitler had.

    Hmm ... yes, but ...
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    sound track here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZayGR8OWvI


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  4. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only these:

     
  7. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Aahh... Rasputin. nice tune, reminds me of the Wolga dancers... hey, hey, hey....
    Russia is a great country! Last night I read the Rudolf Hess story, written by his son. In the end the Russians were going to set him free, but the Western allies got wind of it and killed him...in prison, strangled him, so he could not tell his story when finally free. Bastards!

    O.k., what was "it" we did? I can't remember.:wink:

    Now, be reminded to stick to the topic, please!!!
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  8. RUS

    RUS Member

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    be reminded to stick to the topic.......It is a good idea.


    Let's look at the map of Europe in early 1941.
    All states of Europe conquered by Hitler or became allies without fighting Hitler.
    Do you think that Hitler abandoned his plan in Mein Kampf? (Seizure of the territory of Russia)

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    The Third Reich at the peak of its power.
    Hitler's authority has no limit. .
    Do you believe that Hitler would have stopped in this position?

    Say yes, and we'll laugh with your joke.:smile:

    What?!!
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    You see this map, and you dare to claim that Hitler's nurturance about the Germans finished in that?... And the reason for this was Stalin?.... Oh my God&#8230;.. Oh my God&#8230;.. [​IMG]
    How could you think about that? &#8230;.. Hitler rejected his own plan to attack Russia to increase the living space for Germans?!! ... You don't say so!...... It is a vile slander against Hitler !!! [​IMG]

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    an &#8194;excellent piece of shiit . What else can be done on the piddle potty?:smile:
    PPS
    by the way. Have these girls a strong accent?
     
  9. RUS

    RUS Member

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    Excuse me.
    Hell. Again, I was wrong !!![​IMG]

    Right way:
    PS
    I could not exactly translate into English language the word " &#1082;&#1072;&#1082;&#1072;&#1096;&#1082;&#1072; ". ( "an &#8194;excellent " &#1082;&#1072;&#1082;&#1072;&#1096;&#1082;&#1072;" ")
    In Russian, words " &#1082;&#1072;&#1082;&#1072;&#1096;&#1082;&#1072; " and " &#1075;&#1086;&#1074;&#1085;&#1086; " mean the same thing, but yet it is a completely different words.
    The word " &#1082;&#1072;&#1082;&#1072;&#1096;&#1082;&#1072;" is a children's harmless &#8194;waggish word. In English, these word has no exact &#8194;equivalent.

    Russian language - it is the multicolor language of the poet and writer.
    English - it is rough language of engineers and accountants.:smile:

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  10. unbiased institute

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    Well this has gone downhill even further than I could have imagined.

    Two feuding houses in this, this fair(?) forum where civil minds make civil fingers unlcean and houses both alike in dignity produce unending detritus.
    Such misadaventous, piteous exertions bear neither fruit nor resolution.

    Thy fellow knows nought the righteous cause for they labour and toil for nought.

    Spot the reference. Especially if you're an engineer or an accountant :wink:
     
  11. RUS

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    For the umpteenth time:

    1......Hitler had signed Barbarossa plan in December 1940.
    Staff began to make this plan in July 1940.

    2......In 1925, Hitler planned to conquer the territory of Russia.
    It was a nurturance about the Germans.
    All that Hitler did - it was a nurturance for the Germans.
    Hitler had no reason to cancel the nurturance about the Germans in 1941.


    I think that even "unbiased" urchin clear that Hitler attacked Poland, because Poland was a way station on the path of Hitler's «train» in Russia.



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    Even RUS troglodite admits he does not know now when the invasion of Poland occured
     
  13. RUS

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    So.
    Hitler attacked Poland, because Poland was a way station on the path of Hitler's «train» in Russia.

    As I understand that my opponents don't have arguments to refute my hypothesis. Thus the circle is closed.


    Thus the circle is closed and it is sad for me.[​IMG]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73o1PE0CJXc
     
  14. unbiased institute

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    If you're referring to the argument we had regarding Allied assitance to Poland then you lost that argument a long time ago.
    Also it doesn't help that half of what you write is incomprehensible in the English language
     
  15. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope... I'm jumping into the circle and have my final word:

    Finally, I got off the potty and finished reading http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch14.html

    Excerpts:

    "Then, without consideration of 'traditions' and prejudices, it must find the courage to gather our people and their
    strength for an advance along the road that will lead this people from its present restricted living space to new land
    and soil
    , and hence also free it from the danger of vanishing from the earth or of serving others as a slave nation.
    ....

    If we speak of soil in Europe today, we can primarily have in mind only Russia and her vassal border states.
    ....

    Alliances are concluded only for struggle. And even if the clash should be never so far away at the moment when the
    pact is concluded, the prospect of a military involvement is nevertheless its cause. And do not imagine that any power
    would ever interpret the meaning of such an alliance in any other way.
    Either a German-Russian coalition would remain
    on paper, or from the letter of the treaty it would be translated into visible reality-and the rest of the world would be warned. How naive to suppose that in such a case England and France would wait a decade for the German-Russian alliance to complete its technical preparations. No, the storm would break over Germany with the speed of lightning.
    How accurately he predicted the future, and yet, he went ahead in 1939 and formed an alliance with Russia! Dumb or what??

    And so the very fact of the conclusion of an alliance with Russia embodies a plan for the next war. Its outcome would be the end of Germany.
    WHY, Adolf, did you exactly do that?

    On top of this there is the following:
    1. The present rulers of Russia have no idea of honorably entering into an alliance, let alone observing one.
    Never forget that the rulers of present-day Russia are common blood-stained criminals; that they are the scum of humanity which, favored by circumstances, overran a great state in a tragic hour, slaughtered and wiped out thousands of her leading intelligentsia in wild blood lust, and now for almost ten years have been carrying on the most cruel and tyrannical regime of all time. Furthermore, do not forget that these rulers belong to a race which combines, in a rare mixture, bestial cruelty and an inconceivable gift for lying, and which today more than ever is conscious of a mission to impose its bloody oppression on the whole world. Do not forget that the international Jew who completely dominates Russia today regards Germany, not as an ally, but as a state destined to the same fate. And you do not make pacts with anyone whose sole interest is the destruction of his partner. Above all, you do not make them with elements to whom no pact would be sacred, since they do not live in this world as representatives of honor and sincerity, but as champions of deceit, lies, theft, plunder, and rapine.
    He saw it, knew it and ignored it!!!
    Therefore, his pact with Stalin was made with the devil he knew, and he had no desire to honor his commitment! Neither, of course, did Stalin!
    .....

    Germany is today the next great war aim of Bolshevism. It requires all the force of a young missionary idea to raise our people up again, to free them from the snares of this international serpent, and to stop the inner contamination of our blood, in order that the forces of the nation thus set free can be thrown in to safeguard our nationality, and thus can prevent a repetition of the recent catastrophes down to the most distant future. If we pursue this aim, it is sheer lunacy to ally ourselves with a power whose master is the mortal enemy of our future.
    How can we expect to free our own people from the fetters of this poisonous embrace if we walk right into it?

    What happened to him between 1926 and 1939? What had changed that made him change his mind and walk right into the poisonous embrace? Do you have an idea, RUS?
    .....

    Neither western nor eastern orientation must be the future goal of our foreign policy, but an eastern policy in the sense of acquiring the necessary soil for our German people.
    He is absolutely soil-obsessed!

    Since for this we require strength, and since France, the mortal enemy of our nation, inexorably strangles us and robs us of our strength, we must take upon ourselves every sacrifice whose consequences are calculated to contribute to the annihilation of French efforts toward hegemony in Europe.
    That surprises me!

    Today every power is our natural ally, which like us feels French domination on the continent to be intolerable. No path to such a power can be too hard for us, and no renunciation can seem unutterable if only the end result of (ers ?) the possibility of downing our grimmest enemy. Then, if we can cauterize and close the biggest wound, we can calmly leave the cure of our slighter wounds to the soothing effects of time.
    Today, of course, we are subjected to the hateful yapping."

    So, Hitler did put down the French domination which was like peanuts. Did he then think, with the French neutralized, he could venture into the serpents embrace in the East? Or was it, as I have concluded, that he had no choice but to dare and hope for the best?
    He almost succeeded, but for the entrance of the USA into the war! Those damn Yankees spoiled the fun. They already did the same in WWI. I guess, Hitler knew they would intervene again. That he despite all these treacherous elements went ahead and attacked Stalin tells me he was either overconfident or desperate. Perhaps he was overconfident, otherwise he could simply have waited and settle with Poland the corridor issue and hand them back their country - demilitarized and under German observation. Stalin would have waited a while longer and strengthened his military. Hitler could in the meantime have arranged Stalin's assassination. BUT... what would England have done?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps you should use a better dictionary than Cambridge's Advanced LEARNER dictionary.

    A play on words you see.
     
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    Welcome.I am very glad to see you in my plat.... hmm ... in my circle. :knifefork:
    Wow. It is a great phrase. It need to remember. This can come in handy. :)

    With Hitler, nothing had happened.He struggled to agree with England.
    He has not entered into an alliance with Stalin.The treaty, the Pact 1939 - this is not a union. It isn't the "poisonous embrace".
    Hitler needed resources for the conquest of Europe. He received them from Stalin.
    Hitler had deceived them all.

    On what is based this assumption?
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  18. unbiased institute

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    The Cambridge dictionary? Bearing in mind that England is the home of the English language then I think that's an odd thing to say
    Not applicable. Its not even the same meaning
     
  19. Jazz

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    I concluded my assumption from Hitler's book, Mein Kampf, where he wrote:

    "Germany is today the next great war aim of Bolshevism. It requires all the force of a young missionary idea to raise our people up again, to free them from the snares of this international serpent, and to stop the inner contamination of our blood, in order that the forces of the nation thus set free can be thrown in to safeguard our nationality, and thus can prevent a repetition of the recent catastrophes down to the most distant future. If we pursue this aim, it is sheer lunacy to ally ourselves with a power whose master is the mortal enemy of our future.
    How can we expect to free our own people from the fetters of this poisonous embrace if we walk right into it? "

    It seems strange to me that he despite his "wisdom" went ahead and befriended Russia.
     
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    Except if one realizes that both the words and definitions are basic and incomplete respectively.


    skewed conclusion vs skewered conclusion. Perhaps you can think on that. Granted its not the apex of wit, but it does meet the criteria.
     
  21. unbiased institute

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    Skewed means something completely different to skewered.
    They aren't the same nor are they similar.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, that is why its called a "play on words". Look it up, there is a wealth of wit and humor awaiting to reveal itself to you.
     
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    <sigh>
    Goodbye
     
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    " Quote Originally Posted by Flare
    - The reason why Germany invaded Poland was because Germans were getting slaughtered in the Danzig-corridor.
    (as that was former German territory which was taken away from them, leaving hundreds of thousands of ethnic Germans living in Poland------------------------Agreed!
     
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    Absolutely! Hitler had offered several times to negotiate the Danzig Corridor with the Polish government without ever receiving an answer. Ethnic Germans left in Poland after the WWI partition were slaughtered by the Polish.
    Watch this short video for visual details:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3V3D1aio_U
     

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