The right’s fear of education: What I learned as a (former) conservative military man

I did not say she is a 'liar' just that she lied about what posted. Her statement about what I posted was untrue. I did not say 'NO' education is available in colleges. She was wrong...Period. I actually enjoy her posts a lot of the time but, I will not stand for being misquoted or mischaracterized by someone else's OPINION of what I write.

 

Overdoing the freeloader business, as Obama did with his perpetual unemployment comp extensions, demotivates, demoralizes,and drains funds that otherwise could help to solve economic problems. There were many instances, even in here, of people who gave up looking for work in order to take a lengthy, taxpayer-supported "vacation"...and I am aware of others who chose to live their entire lives on seasonal jobs, taking "unemployment" during the summer months. Admittedly, when those in charge have engineered the law so that responsible people still get the shaft, it is tempting to slip in some economic advantages like that, but it is done unevenly and is therefore unfair to those still attempting to follow the rules.

I do not consider insurance funds we pay into, such as Social Security, "entitlements"--they are prepaid for by the recipients--and I believe a society should try to ameliorate impossible situations, but not in ways that demotivate, demoralize, and waste money. If a woman thinks she has a right to a free ride because she has an illegitimate child, she has been demotivated. If a kid grows up on welfare and becomes a criminal, money has been wasted.

If people do things sensibly and according to society's rules and still have tragedy strike, there are times when IMO intervention is warranted. If, for example, a married couple was making regular payments on a family home until the major employer in the area moves overseas, it should not be so easy for a bank to foreclose. It is not rational--it endangers the health and motivation of the family, and in many instances the abandoned property is not kept up and becomes worthless through deterioration.

If a person willfully becomes an addict, I don't think it is necessarily society's responsibility to make that better. I favor selling them their drug of choice with attendant taxes high enough to pay for any extra medical care they need, and throwing the book at dealers. Smokers and alcoholics are a mixed situation...the high taxes should still be there for their substan ces of choice, but the corporations tht profit should also be heavily taxed. Heavily.

What should not happen is cheaper loans for idiots that bought houses with three times what they could afford, or that the credit issuers get away with issuing credit to such people.

There are some mentally limited people that cannot control their own reproduction, and laws should be passed to make it easier to provide them with long term, effective contraception until and unless their life circumstances make safe parenting possible and they seem to really want that. Otherwise,society has to raise those kids. In almost all other cases, women are able to control their own fertility, or would be if long term contraceptive techniques were made universally available. Sane women and girls do not usually choose to have a baby by themselves lacking the inducement of a free income and apartment unless they are independently wealthy. It is insane to provide inducements for illegitimate births and it has ruined the family structure in some parts of our culture. Everyone knows this.

There actually are people that can fashion sensible policy that produces healthy results, good for both the people and the economy--and it is usually either vested interests or sententious nonthinkers that oppose them. Sometimes both.

 

If the system is designed correctly those with the capacity for personal freedom will choose it themselves. The truly incapable should be living in low cost boarding houses, not independent apartments, and those should be located near actual work on farms, not inner cities.

 

I'm an Atheist, so it's not religion for me. I have two degrees, one of them with first class honours, so I struggle to see how I hate college or education generally.

You wouldn't be stereotyping here, would you?

 

I was describing the ideal, not the pernicious reality that, IMO, you yourself at times represent. Vested interest practice and basic principles are very different things.

What is really sad is that liberals now take risks, such as "free sex", without even pausing to think that they are, in fact, taking risks.

 

It's the progressive Marxists that many in the left still mistakenly follow. IMO the dropouts that self report in here are the true liberals.

 

Please explicate.

 

The US before Obama was coming pretty close, and I think we'll get back there eventually.

 

No. Try "inaccurate."

 

Sex is not a valid argument. While liberals may be more open concerning relationships, conservatives tend to be more secretive, fearing peer disapproval. It is, for the most part, a private matter.

 

Your idea is that there are some who cannot fend for themselves, and those people are called "children". That's why they have "parents". A mommy, a daddy, a grandpa, a grandma, aunt petunia, uncle mortimer, etc. etc. etc. Our families are there to provide for those who cannot fend for themselves. You can probably count on your neighbors to pitch in. You can count on do-gooders who will throw a few dollars if they think it is being put to a worthy cause. This goes for children who grow up and still can't fend for themselves. Maybe they're highly autistic, or maybe they're quadriplegics.

See, we've tried your idea and what happened has been an abysmal failure because there is no incentive for the state to provide an actual benefit to those who need it, and in fact, they have every incentive to keep things just as bad as things can be. It's like a cancer cure researcher. If he finds a cure for cancer, that means no more money to cure cancer.

No sorry, but I've seen your welfare kids raised by single welfare mothers living in welfare shacks. It didn't work, so no more of that. My idea is better than your idea.

 

That's exactly what the far left does to discredit factual information that does not agree with their liberal, progressive, secular-humanist religion.

 

Might I suggest that educational indoctrination be used to promote wiser choices and provide motivation? However, WE MUST STOP ENCOURAGING CORPORATE EXPLOITATION OF WORKERS AND CONSUMERS. IMO, if society permits unfair exploitations of individuals, then we share the guilt for the offenses as well as the responsibility for rehabilitations. It would, however, be to the benefit of all if the deficiencies in government would be corrected in order to prevent this type of exploitation.

Above all, we MUST stop thinking of ANY of our citizens as liabilities rather than assets that need to be protected.

 

Some people are liabilities and although they should be protected we should do everything we can to keep their numbers as low as humanely possible.

If you want to stop exploitation focus on repealing the law that made propaganda legal for our media, and curbing our advertisers. Mindless demonstrations at the behest of billionaires with their own agendas are also a questionable practice. Also focus on making all our residents legal ones, since illegals are easily exploited, and that our educational institutions teach logical thought.

 

A religion is acceptance on faith of a governing paradigm that cannot through means of human logic be demonstrated to work effectively.for the majority of people. Modern socialism is the belief, in essence, that bureaucracies are omniscient, omnipresent, and potentially omnipotent, yet bureaucracies are no different than any other collection of people except there is no naturally occurring constraint upon their hubris save rebellion, to which their usual response is not changing their behavior but grabbing a bigger hammer. The bigotry is exercised against those who do not share their belief in the efficacy of government bureaucrats.

 

I didn't change your quote.

 

I agree with you.........

 

What do you require? Italian Fascism wasn't in particular racist, at least no more so than it's contemporaneous European non fascist counter parts. And please note I do not mean to imply that I think Italian fascism was a good idea. merely that it was less bad in certain ways than others.

The US is the most singularly polyglot nation on earth. It has been that way for more than a century. It will continue to be that way for the foreseeable future. If you do things that work to the benefit of one individual all those associated with him will likewise be blessed. Protecting our borders benefits all those who live here not just the whitest. For instance African Americans who were 12 percent of the country just 3 decades ago are now eight percent and falling and one of the primary culprits in that is the influx of illegal Latino immigrants.

 

The funny thing is that racism is more historically connected to the left than anything; racial biology was the favourite discipline of all the Socialists; for example the Swedish Soc Dems established the world's leading centre for racial biology and all left-wing parties (NSDAP included) were big fans of the idea of "racial hygene" and just like the contemporary left, the old left, too, did like identity politics.

 

Of course it's valid. The concept of "free sex" started in the US with the liberal Hippies.

 

"Socialism as practiced in much of the world is little more than a species of religious bigotry." Garyd

OK; I see the reasoning now. Thanks.

 

Free love went hand in hand with socialism in 1920s Israel. Hippies didn't invent it.

 

STEM is a curriculum based on the idea of educating students in four specific disciplines — science, technology, engineering and mathematics — in an interdisciplinary and applied approach. That's really not enough.

 

Really? And what is your evidence for this assertion?

 

Yes, tell that to all the doctors, engineers, lawyers and professionals who attained their degrees through hard work, and cure you, build your infrastructure and solve your legal disputes. You never went to college; that much is evidenced in your rant, otherwise your opinion might actually be based in reality, as opposed to defensive posturing.