The rouble is soaring and Putin is stronger than ever - our sanctions have backfired

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  1. (original)late

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    True.

    We tried, it didn't take.

    You really ought to learn what words mean...
     
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    we still are, just now you're paying for American oil, which costs more, Republicans lied to you if they told you American oil would be cheaper

    oil prices are coming down, the Saudis are opening the spigots

    funny how American oil can all of a sudden lower prices to compete, isn't it
     
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    Trying to surround a country with NATO and sanctioning it to try to destroy its economy uness it adpots western values isn't trying to help.
     
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    Those countries were begging to join, because they knew what Russia was like. That we had a real economy didn't hurt.

    We didn't surround Russia, Europe has less than no interest in fighting Russia. In fact, as I pointed out to you before, when the Russian army moved on Kiev, their intentions became clear. Putin was on the warpath, Ukraine was just the beginning of an era of war, and Europe was horrified.

    This is what Russia always does, attempts to expand until it exhausts it's resources, and collapses. You'd think they'd learn..
     
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    Yes, the same thing people said about Hitler after he invaded Poland:
    “You cannot allow or forbid anything. Hitler can do whatever it wants, the Norwegians already understand who is who”, but after few years people changed their mind.

    And few things about Russia:
    By longevity Russia as number 113, on average people in Jamaica, Bangladesh, El Salvador and Libya live longer:
    https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

    Fertility rate in Russia in 2021 was 1.52 birth /woman, this is an average, without Muslim Russians it would be even lower.
    The minimum replacement fertility rate is 2.1 children per woman.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

    Today many high educated Russian are leaving Russia:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladi...-amid-war-in-ukraine-uk-says/?sh=229fa7664589

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/business/russia-millionaire-exodus/index.html

    https://worldcrunch.com/business-finance/russian-emigration-economy/oligarchs-head-to-u-s-or-gulf


    You want to bet on Russia? Good luck!
     
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    I just think it is strange to use Ned Stark to represent Putin when Ned's fate was that he was betrayed by those he thought was loyal around him, locked in a dark cell as a political prisoner and finally was beheaded before ever seeing "winter come" is kind of a weird choice for your message. It is like very bad karma.
     
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    Exactly, there is nothing wrong with Putin's head, Putin is only following Russian tradition:

    1939: Russia invaded Poland and Finland
    1956: Russia invaded Hungary
    1968: Russia invaded Czechoslovakia
    1979: Russia invaded Afghanistan
    1994-96: Russia invaded Checzenya
    2008: Russia invaded Georgia
    2014: Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea
    2022: Russia invaded Ukraine

    I would worry about Putin's head if for 15 years Russia is no invading any country.
     
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    Give it a year and we will see what the Sanctions have accomplished. Currently, Putin is inflating numbers and printing money madly in order to put on a show. The trickle down effect will be devastating. Just wait and see.
     
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    A collapsing EU.

    FYI, Putin isn't printing a single friggin Rouble. Doesn't need to. Russia is solvent. The U.S.? :roflol:
     
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    How do you figure this?
     
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    A country attacks a succession of oil producing countries who all happen to have abandoned the dollar and there was no objective? Yes, the lesson learned was it didn’t manage to control a large majority of the world’s oil suppliers.
     
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    Both Russia and China have been rapidly buying up gold and slowly abandoning the dollar for years. Perhaps they know something we don’t? In the next recession as countries tied into one reserve currency get hit by a tidal wave crash as in 2008, those that didn’t will fare a lot better.
     
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    I don't have to bet. Russia is moving to the top positions in the world in terms of influence. And this is obvious to everyone who has a brain. Therefore, already now, the level of former chancellors (Schroeder, Merkel), the Germans are beginning to beg the Russians not to destroy the German economy. (and all of Europe)
    But this is only a miserable beginning, as we understand, winter is coming.
    It became clear to everyone that in reality the Russian GDP is much more powerful than the GDP of dog hairdressers and waiters in the West.
     
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    All your examples can only support the peacefulness of the Russians. Every single one of your examples show that the Russians only respond to aggression against them and are never the first to start a war.
    (By the way, the Russians did not invade Chechnya. Chechnya is a subject of Russia. So study the issue first)
     
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    In what reality does one country invading another imply 'peacefulness' on the part of the invader? Poland, Hungary, Finland, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan & Ukraine. All of them invaded by Russia. In your mind the rapist is literally claiming 'she asked for it'!
     
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    You should learn the difference between Russia and the Soviet Union before commenting.
     
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    'You should learn the difference between Russia and the Soviet Union before commenting.'

    Just to remind you I wasn't the one who quoted all of those countries as examples of 'aggressive' nations attacking Russia. It as one of your co-propagandist's.
     
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    Just wait and see. Give it time. In 2 to 3 years, Russia won't be the same as the entire world climate will start moving away from Russian reliance. Nobody truly wants to deal with a bloodthirsty tyrant.
     
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    1. It was Putins plan to get surrounded. What did he think would happen when he invaded Ukraine, the world would just stand by? Taking Ukraine erases the "buffer", And it was guaranteed to get Finland and Sweden to join NATO.

    2.Oil isnt the future. Green independent energy, botany, and data communications are. The Gold standard and the petro dollar are being replaced with Crypto, digital yuan, and energy independance through efficiency. Russia is going to be left behind, Drilling for more gold to keep their economy going. Because that sanctioned crap is useless outside their own nation. Advanced nations ditched it for good reason. It's more of a liability than a benefit.

    As an electrician all the best work is building data centers, Building communications, botany(marijuana) and networking. None of which meshes well with having to transfer and protect physical gold, which only limits an economy.

    If Russias economy is doing so well, what's with the massive brain drain. Huh? Seems all the Oligarchs control the flow of oil and gold. Are you an oligarch?

    If you arnt in Moscow, you arnt nothing in Russia.

    TLDR: simply answer this.
    Where in Russia can an average worker make 5 million+ ruble annually? Here in the states, that's average union electrician pay.

    http://www.jatc26.org/wiremanprogram.cfm
     
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    For example. On November 26, 1939, on a section of the border near the village of Mainila, Finnish artillery fired on Soviet border guards and started a war against the USSR.
    Or another example - Poland. Poland, together with Hungary and Germany, invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland was the first in Europe to conclude a pact with Hitler - the "Hitler-Pilsudski Pact" (1934). The Poles hoped that Hitler would help Poland to occupy part of the USSR and make "Poland from sea to sea."
    Poland was so confident that Hitler would help her against the USSR that she received Himmler in Poland in 1939. Received with respect.
    By the way, Poland during the Moscow negotiations in the summer of 1939 categorically refused to let the Red Army through its territory to fight the Wehrmacht. (Despite the requests of Britain and France).
    And further. When the Red Army returned the Russian territories (occupied by Poland after the revolution in Russia) and entered these territories, the Polish state did not exist. All the Polish leadership by this time had fled to England and these territories were ungovernable.
    What else to tell? About Hungary? The same Hungary, which fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler and killed, massively killed Russians, where in 1956 the Hungarian fascists rebelled and began to kill not only communists - Hungarians, but also Russian soldiers. ...
    In general, before writing, study the history. Real history, but not propaganda anti-Soviet myths.
    By the way, it was especially funny to hear about Afghanistan. How many years have American troops and their allies been killing Afghans? And why didn't you cite Iraq, Syria, Libya ... Yugoslavia as an example?
     
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    For example. On November 26, 1939, on a section of the border near the village of Mainila, Finnish artillery fired on Soviet border guards and started a war against the USSR.
    Or another example - Poland. Poland, together with Hungary and Germany, invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland was the first in Europe to conclude a pact with Hitler - the "Hitler-Pilsudski Pact" (1934). The Poles hoped that Hitler would help Poland to occupy part of the USSR and make "Poland from sea to sea."
    Poland was so confident that Hitler would help her against the USSR that she received Himmler in Poland in 1939. Received with respect.
    By the way, Poland during the Moscow negotiations in the summer of 1939 categorically refused to let the Red Army through its territory to fight the Wehrmacht. (Despite the requests of Britain and France).
    And further. When the Red Army returned the Russian territories (occupied by Poland after the revolution in Russia) and entered these territories, the Polish state did not exist. All the Polish leadership by this time had fled to England and these territories were ungovernable.
    What else to tell? About Hungary? The same Hungary, which fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler and killed, massively killed Russians, where in 1956 the Hungarian fascists rebelled and began to kill not only communists - Hungarians, but also Russian soldiers. ...
    In general, before writing, study the history. Real history, but not propaganda anti-Soviet myths.
    By the way, it was especially funny to hear about Afghanistan. How many years have American troops and their allies been killing Afghans? And why didn't you cite Iraq, Syria, Libya ... Yugoslavia as an example?
     
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    The Russians have a very large budget surplus. This caused the ruble to rise. But the Russian government does not benefit from a very high exchange rate of the ruble. The optimal balance between importers and exporters is the exchange rate of the ruble from 65 rubles for one dollar to 75 rubles for one dollar. So says the Ministry of Finance of Russia and the Central Bank of Russia.
    The Russian government is constantly trying to depreciate the ruble. They succeed for a while, but then the ruble exchange rate starts to rise again.
     
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    It's an export based economy, so of course it doesn't benefit. This is one of the reasons that the claim that an artifically high value for the rulbe means a strong economy is a silly and untrue argument.
     
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