PP is audited, if you think the audits were in error you are free to write your congressman and ask to do them yourself. Republicans have been all over the news with their attempts to shut down clinics because they lie to their constituents and tell them their taxes are being spent on abortions so their constituents don't pay attention to where most of their taxes are going and it works. BTW, abortions are cheaper than the most effective affordable bc.....
All your discussions are from later cases and amendments that have nothing to do with what the Founders said and thought an actual "person" was. A better insight, part of which, is given here: http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/tay/tay_03foundingfather.html
State's rights. The US should be a Republic of States. I don't like willy-nilly on-demand abortions anywhere, and not in the US. But this is out of my hands.
Over the last 8 years it has been Obama admin that does the auditing. They lied about HC from day one. Why would you think I trust an Obama audit. YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR. I have never heard one Republican that I voted for say they would close PP, not one. What's cheaper an abortion or a free day after pill? For one I wouldn't care if my taxes paid for those. I don't support abortions or those that perform them and then sell the baby parts. Our debate is OVER. Have a nice day.
Sorry, that just isn't logical to not want abortion in your state but don't care if they have them in other states or other countries.....it's the same thing. American citizens have American citizens rights in all states.......it's called the UNITED States and is ruled by the Constitution of the United States. And you missed:Are you affected in any way by abortions? ....
Yup, facts shouldn't ever stop you from having a nice day... I NEVER said any Republican YOU voted for wanted to close clinics ( wheedle, squirm) but if you can't see where OTHER Republicans have then there is no "debate"
Utterly stupid argument. When you get in a car do you give your consent to having a car wreck? No, but when you get into that car you accept the real possibility of being in a car wreck. Actions have consequences which cannot be divorced from each other. If you have intercourse then pregnancy is a very real possibility which you accept. The very act of intercourse is tacit acceptance of all the outcomes - pleasure, emotional bonds, STD, pregnancy.
I believe in freedom and rights but the government and the community are obligated to step in when another persons right is being violated. The right to life is the greatest right we have. At 5 weeks a child has a brain and therefore the potential to feel pain, to think, and to feel. At that point it isnt only about the womens choice. There is another person involved. A hospital cannot just unhook someone from life support because they are a burden or inconvenience especially when that person has brain activity. Shouldnt we be consistent?
No, it isn't like that at all. If a woman has a baby or an abortion it affects no one but her. Driving drunk affects other people. YOU have never been affected by a woman having an abortion.
Yes , we could be consistent if the person on life support was connected to another person to sustain their life. They aren't. Fetuses are not person with rights. IF they were they would have the same rights AND RESTRICTIONS that other persons have. They could NOT use another person to sustain their life. Yes, a CHILD a 5 weeks of age feels pain, and can think but a fetus at 5 weeks gestation cannot. You don't think women's rights are being violated when they are forced to gestate and give birth???????????
No, it isn't.......everything you mentioned does NOT have to be accepted....would YOU accept an STD and do nothing about it???
Your proof that fetuses are not people with rights is that they are not treated that way. So, according to you, Jews in Nazi Germany were not people with rights. Since they don't have the same rights and restrictions, children under age 18 are not people with rights either, according to you. But then, no one has to take your inane opinions seriously.
As a general rule, rights are claimed or given. A fetus cannot claim anything and society has decided to forgo giving them in favor of the person it lives within. The Jews had rights which were removed, thus does history condemn the Nazis and minors have rights defined by law and society from birth. You are making false claims in order to try to make a point that is invalid.
He said "IF they were[...]". Words like "if" and "therefore" are very strong as they denote logical consequence. I doubt he understands it(obviously you don't either) but, by his wording, he gave a necessary criterion for the qualification of a being as a "person with rights". My response was to reduce the criterion he established established to absurdity, not to establish one of my own. It does follow with logical necessity, according to the criterion he established in that post, that Jews in Nazi Germany and children today are not people with rights. It's false, of course. Those Jews and these children did and do have rights and were and are people, as any healthy person with empathy can recognize, but that just entails that his criterion is wrong. A tenable theory of rights will start with undeniable, universalizable principles or observations, not a declaration of a general rule.
You might want to do some research on illegal abortion.: After I graduated from University of British Columbia medical school in 1962, I went to Chicago, where I served my internship and Ob/Gyn residency at Cook County Hospital. At that time, Cook County had about 3,000 beds, and served a mainly indigent population. If you were really sick, or really poor, or both, Cook County was where you went. The first month of my internship was spent on Ward 41, the septic obstetrics ward. Yes, its hard to believe now, but in those days, they had one ward dedicated exclusively to septic complications of pregnancy. About 90% of the patients were there with complications of septic abortion. The ward had about 40 beds, in addition to extra beds which lined the halls. Each day we admitted between 10-30 septic abortion patients. We had about one death a month, usually from septic shock associated with hemorrhage. http://www.torontoreviewofbooks.com/2012/10/why-i-am-an-abortion-doctor-by-dr-garson-romalis/
Some Constitutional rights should be granted to everyone in every state, like free speech, and the right to keep and carry even a simple flintlock pistol in every city and every state. But that isn't the case. I'd rather there not be any abortions that don't really risk the life and health of the mother. But this is about what is realistic----and what I can tolerate. I wouldn't want any of my kids to have an abortion for lifestyle and economic reasons, or just because some liberal said they could.
No my proof is that by law one must be born to be a person. When you say about me :""So, according to you, Jews in Nazi Germany were not people with rights. Since they don't have the same rights and restrictions, children under age 18 are not people with rights either, according to you""... you are misrepresenting what I posted. The only reason you have to do that is you have no argument... BTW, YOU seem to be taking my "inane opinions" very seriously ......how silly to take what you consider inane opinions seriously....and reply to them
So you don't really have an argument nor care if someone has an abortion as long as you don't know about it......then you have it easy, you don't have to ask anyone if they had an abortion and you won't be bothered.................why you even commented is a mystery... BTW, every American citizen should have the right to their own body in every state of the union .....American citizens are American citizens in every state.
