Yes, ignorance of the meaning of the term consent is utterly stupid. No one is ever required to give their consent to an accident occurring. It is "utterly stupid" to even believe that anyone giving consent to intercourse is also giving consent to the "accident" of pregnancy. But let's just take your inane premise and see where it goes. If an underaged girl "consents" to intercourse with her underage boyfriend and she becomes pregnant as a result has she "consented" to the pregnancy? She was below the age where she could legally give "informed consent" to intercourse and she is therefore incapable of having granted consent to the "accident" of pregnancy. No amount of illogical "consequences" on your part is going to alter the FACT that she could NOT have given her consent under these circumstances. But you would still hold her "responsible" for the "consequences" of her actions and the pregnancy and force her to run the risk of giving birth even if it was a serious threat to her life. The concept of consent for one action does not automatically mean consent for other actions. Pregnancy, however it happens, is a CHOICE and it is the individual woman who has the RIGHT to make that choice and there is nothing that you can do to take away her right to make that choice.
A fetus cannot feel pain at 5 weeks and neither can it think. The rudimentary brain stem is not capable of either thought or pain at that stage.
No one is "killing babies". If you know of anyone doing so I suggest that you report them to your local law enforcement department. - - - Updated - - - The US Constitution stipulates that a person is someone who have been "naturally born". Your invocation of Godwin's Law nullifies your position.
Anti choicers are trying to take the right to security of the person from women. Pro abortion means you want abortion legal. Definition of proabortion : favoring the legalization of abortion https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proabortion I don't care how many there are, as long as every woman that chooses to abort is able to and that they are safe and legal. Canada fully subsidizes them, yet has a lower abortion rate than the USA. We do not need any prohibition by govt. Period.
You: """He said "IF they were[...]". Explain who you are referring to and explain what they said......"""He said "IF they were[...]".?....looks like you had no understanding of what was posted
Funny how Anti's have slithered/wriggled away from the "consent" issue..... Think they finally figured it out ?
Why are you worried about about other people not being able to have on-demand abortions if they don't affect you? You're not even an American citizen. Why should you care what happens here?
While it appears we agree on almost everything above, you completely failed to address the only points I was trying to make: 1) The repeal of Row v Wade would not render abortion illegal, in contrast to the OP's suggestion. 2) We do not need the federal government meddling in abortion... at all. Do you agree in principle with the following?: A developing fetus represents a parasitic and voluntary relationship between only the mother and the fetus. If the mother chooses to end that relationship, she has the right to do so, at any time, and for any reason, until childbirth. Once the fetus is born, it becomes an individual, and is completely responsible for its own survival, unless the mother and/or father (assuming a traditional nuclear family) choose to continue with their voluntary support. This voluntary parasitic relationship continues until such time as the individual becomes self-reliant, or those on which he relies choose to end their parasitic relationship.
By overturning the SCOTUS decision that made it legal? Then we go back to this: [video=youtube;jIe1lBBJILE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIe1lBBJILE[/video]
It is STILL up to the states for the most part. In my state there is now a single clinic to get legal abortion in and our Governor is trying his damndest to shut that one down too. Basically a woman usually needs to fly someplace else or do it herself. Kentucky is almost there now.....I'm glad I don't have to live through this BS.
Taking away half the American populations right to their own body affects me. Taking away rights affects me. YOU have never stated why you care about other people having abortions when it doesn't affect you.....nor can you explain the difference between an abortion in your state and an abortion a few miles away in another state. NOW PROVE I am not an American citizen ..........YOU said it, now prove it........ ...or at least give a feeble excuse about how you came to that totally illogical conclusion and what it has to do with the right of women to have an abortion...
I was referring to your post. I'm not gonna explain what you said; you can follow the links back to your post if you forgot. If you don't understand the difference between what you meant and what you actually wrote, that's your problem.
I do believe I saw a flag from another nation on your heading at one time. My guess is that you're a Briton. I am only a peon. What small political power I have is best used here in my State. I don't like abortions anywhere, just like I don't like seeing Christians beheaded anywhere. If I only cared about myself, that would make me a psychopath.
No. People can incur liability by their acts. The liability of one is the entitlement of another. The one entitled is entitled to what the one liable is liable for. If one injures another, the one is liable to make reparations for that damage. If one puts another in a precarious position(say by causing him or her to be trapped in a well, for example), the one is liable to see the other out of that position and make reparations if needed. By the same token, if one(or two) cause(s) another to begin to exist in a precarious position, they are liable to see the other out of that position. Children, in and out of the womb, are in a precarious position and had no hand in causing themselves to be in that position. The responsibility for their predicament lies squarely on the parents. Therefore, parents are liable to see their children safely to adulthood, and children are entitled to be seen safely to adulthood by their parents.
Your answer does not address what happens when a day-after pill is used - in such cases, the mother would be the person committing the abortion and given your logic, would be a felon. Would doctors be required to report any and all term ending events for investigation? Would states allow travel of pregnant women who leave the state with the intent to terminate a pregnancy (attempted murder)? The enforcement and investigation branches of the pregnancy police would be HUGE.
Talking about things you know nothing about and have no proof of.... NOW PROVE I am not an American citizen ..........YOU said it, now prove it........ First you only care about abortions in your state , now you flip flop and ""don't like abortions anywhere""" Maybe you need to take time and arrange your thoughts .....
You are the one twisting my views. Did you, or did you not have a flag from another nation beside the US on your heading? And you tell us about your nationality.
I have not twisted your views, you DID say you only cared about abortions in your state and then you cared about all abortions.....that is YOU twisting... My nationality is off topic, has nothing to do with the issue being discussed but seems to be all you have.... Continue discussing my nationality and you will destroy any credibility you may have had and will be reported as Off Topic.
My priority of cares with people: My direct family and myself (those unborn and born) My relatives My friends and fellows Those in my community and more so, those in my community with shared values Those in my state Those in my country Those with my shared values around the World Anyone potentially having an abortion, I would care most about the higher up the list.
Your position has been pretty clear since you first posted it. It's internally consistent. You haven't contradicted yourself. Any fourth grader would have easily understood you from jump. <<MOD EDIT - Rule 5 - Removed Off topic
The woman having an abortion certainly affects the baby being killed. - - - Updated - - - You have it backwards. If you engage in intercourse, you accept the risk of pregnancy.
