The Trump/Putin summit

I do not know what is legitimate criticism is until I research it myself.

And when have I indicated that republicans only spout gospel.
This is exactly what I am talking about. Democrats make all these wild accusations with the expectation that people will believe them all. After a while, I begin to disbelieve all of them until I research them myself.

 

Telling yourself this does not make it true.
Fact is, the Democrats reacted to Hillary's loss in a manner not before seen in US politics; said reaction continues in their incessant need to diminish the Trump administration in every way they can imagine.

 

You missed the obvious point:
The left is fixated on Hillary's Loss.

 

Another example of you trying to pass your unsupportable opinion off as fact.

 

Another example of you trying to pass your unsupportable opinion off as fact.

 

Another example of you trying to pass your unsupportable opinion off as fact.

 

What bullshit. Imagine negative reactions to the biggest election upset in American history.

But I get you are butt hurt, because democrats are acting like "republican lites" when it comes to diminishing and obstructing the sitting administration. How easily you forget the marxist kenyan community organizer. Remember all his nefarious "associations"? His list pales in comparison to the NUMEROUS crooks and russian intelligence agents on Trumps/

Trumpian double standard self righteous bullshit is getting more and more tiresome and delusional.

 

Wait.. you agree with my premise, and then call it bullshit?
Sorry. Can't help but laugh at that.
Hopefully this doesn't anger you the point where you shoot up a baseball practice.

On the contrary.
Hillary lost, which means Trump achieved the one thing I wanted from him. This can never be taken away, and anything else is gravy.

See, you think I am defending Trump, when in reality I mock the left and their hyper-partisan, unable-to-accept-the-fact-Hillary-lost inanity.

 

25% of Republicans are Russian sympathizers.

A quarter of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents (25%) said they had a favorable view of Putin, compared with just 9% of Democrats and Democratic leaners. These views have changed little since last year.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-on-trump-putin-and-the-countries-they-lead/

That is Trump's base. According to his base, Trump, who also is sympathetic to Russia judging by his treasonous remarks yesterday, can do no wrong.

Trump sycophant, Newt Gingrich took exception to Trump's performance at the news conference in Helsinki.


Newt Gingrich ✔ @newtgingrich


President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately.

2:15 PM - Jul 16, 2018

Boy, Trump pissed off Gingrich. He is in serious trouble with Republicans.

Not his base, though. His fan base always supports him, no matter what. After all, Trump is about to appoint his second Supreme Court judge. Nothing else matters. Trump can verbally attack his own country, which he did. Trump can reject the intelligence from his own agencies and believe a communist dictator instead, which he did. His comments yesterday were clearly treasonous, and they were.

But his base doesn't care. He is appointing two judges.

 

Another example of you trying to pass your unsupportable opinion off as fact.

 

I provided the source of that poll, Pew Research.

Typical member of Trump's base. You support Trump, but you can't defend him.

Your idea of defending Trump is to ignore the truth.

If you can't defend Trump's actions, why in the world do you support him? Do you even know? Is it just dumb, blind loyalty?

Don't answer to me. Answer to yourself.

 

Another example of you trying to pass your unsupportable opinion off as fact.

 

I am, to make it simple and clear, a person that wants justice. Justice does not apply to merely Hillary Clinton who has a chequered past.

I was in East Berlin. As much as we could get photos taken inside Russia when it was run by the Soviets, we saw they lived lousy and poor lives. It looked as bad as did Russia.

Check the Russians today. They have nice cars. Dress very well and are not reported to be going hungry nor waiting in those atrocious lines of the past.

Somebody has improved Russia. Give them credit. And the current Russians have a genuine chance to get wealthy. Soviets never allowed that unless you were the party boss.

Screw Putin, what is going on with the Russian people? We even have some them posting on topics about Russia that they care about. Some of them post wonderful photos there. We do not hear them whining.

This forum has Russians. I am native of CA and for much of my life kept to living in CA. But I have been to Europe and saw the rotten system communism brings. Who brags up communism? They are always Democrats.

So 12 Russians were recently indicted. So was Robert Menendez and he is a Democrat Senator and he got off. So indictments do not prove guilt.

Trump must have laid the leather to Putin for Putin to so strongly deny he had a role in our election. What we saw was the press conference with some of the media trying to tear down Trump. They do not mind blocking peace. They want a war it seems to me and figure why not defeat them using our weapons. That is bs to me. I do not crave war as do the Democrats.

 

First of all what was Trump supposed to do.Spit at Putin as he
talked.Give him dirty looks.That is what dems do to Republicans
and average Joe America.
Plus the first question asked by an American reporter was highly
snarky.Asking Trump something on the order of why we should
Allow Russia to infiltrate our elections.
You folk on the left are out of yer collective Yahoos.

 

You can't even answer to yourself.

That's pretty sad.

 

I knew it!

In the face of major consternation from around the world (except in Moscow where they are celebrating), from the leadership of his own party, from members of our intelligence agencies led by people Trump appointed, and from the vast majority of Americans, Trump refused to back down.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/politics/donald-trump-putin.html

He made a weak attempt at damage control, but he only made himself look foolish.

Following his pathetic comments, he refused to take questions from reporters. That is probably the smartest thing he did all month.

 

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) on Tuesday called for the American translator present during President Trump's one-on-one meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin to tell Congress what was said.

"I believe the Senate Foreign Relations Committee should hold a hearing with the American translator who was present during President Trump and President Putin's private meeting to determine what was specifically discussed and agreed to on the United States's behalf," Shaheen, a member of the committee, said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...p-putin-meeting-should-tell-congress-what-was

There are two matters of great concern here.

During the news conference yesterday, Trump rejected American intelligence and believed Putin. “They said, ‘I think it is Russia.’ I have President Putin. He just said it is not Russia. I will say this: I do not see any reason why it would be. I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial.” "They," in this case, being American intelligence. Trump's statement is a remarkable concession to Putin, bordering on treason.

Since Nixon, every President has released tax returns, except for Gerald Ford, who instead made public a decade's worth of summary data about his federal taxes. Trump has not release his tax returns causing many to wonder what is in those tax returns Trump does not want Americans to see. He has pursued business deals in Russia since 1987, and has sometimes traveled there to explore potential business opportunities. Trump's partners and children have repeatedly visited Moscow, connecting with developers and government officials to explore joint venture opportunities. Following Trump's bankruptcies in the 1990s he borrowed money from Russian sources. In 2008 his son Donald Trump Jr. said that Russia was an important source of money for the Trump businesses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Russia

Why did Trump want to meet secretly with Putin away from his advisors? In that hour and a half, did he make any other concessions to Putin? There is much speculation Putin has some kind of hold on Trump, which would explain a lot. Did they discuss that hold? That would be a very good reason why Trump would want to meet privately with Putin.

 

I wonder if anyone on any thread, including this one, will use Trump's statements today in defense of the President.

Or do even his fans know Trump was full of B.S.

 

Yes, all that is true, and Trump's approach is to forget the past and embrace the future. That is Putin's approach as well.

According to Trump, we are to forget Russia's aggression in Ukraine and illegal annexation of Crimea. We should forget that Putin is supporting a murderous dictator in Syria. We should ignore the fact that Putin is arming Iran and providing nuclear technology and advice.

And we should forget that Russia interfered in our Presidential election!

That's right, according to Trump, Russia didn't do that.

Whoops, that was yesterday. Today Trump says Russia did do that ... along with other people, there a lot of people out there, he said.

This is Trump's idea of diplomacy. His views are very similar to Neville Chamberlain. Know him?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain

 

Another example of you trying to pass your unsupportable opinion off as fact.

 

Another example of you trying to pass your unsupportable opinion off as fact.

 

Another example of you trying to pass your unsupportable opinion off as fact.

 

Trump's performance on Monday was embarrassing. According many members of his own party, including the leadership of the Senate and House, his statements bordered on treason and they contradicted Trump. Imagine that, the leaders of his own party took issue with his treasonous statements. The intelligence community, led by Trump appointees, Coats and Wray, seriously questioned why Trump rejected American intelligence and accepted the dictator's word instead because "President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”

On Tuesday, Trump's bumbling attempt at damage control only made matters worse. He embarrassed himself once again claiming that changing one word -- "would" to "wouldn't" -- would correct all the faults of his performance the previous day. It didn't.

What is disconcerting is the reaction or lack of reaction on the part of millions of Americans ... the millions of Americans who voted for Trump. They simply don't care. These comments represent their viewpoint, or lack thereof.

As can be seen, rather than defending Trump, some are in denial. They simply say what Trump said didn't happen. Others change the subject. Others bring up issues not related to Trump's performance. Others approve of Trump's Neville Chamberlain strategy of diplomacy, forget past wrongs and embrace the future. Others use wisecracks. They attacked the writers who reported Trump's behavior.

But, mostly, they simply do not care.

Then again, perhaps it is impossible to defend Trump. His performances on Monday and Tuesday are beneath contempt for the President of the United States and possibly treasonous. After attacking our allies and weakening the NATO alliance, Trump rejected American intelligence, blamed America for all that is wrong with U.S./Russian relations, and solemnly agreed with a communist dictator.

 

Gatling gun drive bys are supposed to show what SS? Do you get bonus points?

 

After a lot of rhetoric, you still did not answer the question "Where is there just one indication that Russia changed even one vote?"