The Trumpist claim that we're 'a republic, not a democracy' is even more dangerous than it sounds

Republicans are getting tripped up by semantics, but they have an ulterior motive for doing it. Let's take a deeper dive:

That is not the point. The argument is "Is America a democracy". Republicans of late are going around an claiming, incorrectly, that America is not a 'democracy', but they are doing this on a very narrow definition of the term, and that is not what it is generally meant when teachers, professors, academicians and from first grade on up through post graduate schools not to mention authors of history mean when they lecture us on the point that 'America is a democracy'. Republicans really are missing the point of what that declaration means and let's be clear, they are the only ones doing it and they are doing it rather recently, because in my entire 71 years on this earth, no where did I ever hear any teacher, professor, academician or author of history ever assert that America is not a democracy. No one in academia, authors of history, are diminishing nor ignoring the concept of a 'constitutional republic' in any description or lecture on the point that 'America is a democracy'.

Republicans are missing a very simple point.

The point is, 'democracy' is a broad term, signifying more than just how a nation votes for it's leaders, it signifies a nation of rule of law as opposed to rule of a tyrant, it signifies a nation where people can engage in a the free exchange of ideas with impunity, freedom of association/assembly as embodied in a bill of rights, etc., the term 'democracy' embodies all of these things and this idea that America is not a democracy is silly argument, an argument fomented by the right by virtue of their tripping up on the wrong side of semantics, and they have done this in recent years because they haven't won the popular vote in a while so they need this new definition which poo poos democracy so they can feel good about their recent spate of anti-democratic voter suppression laws. This is what is going on here, let's be frank and to claim otherwise, well, republicans are not fooling anyone, especially Mark Levin.

Madison argued against a direct democracy, but he was using the term in the most parochial sense, i.e., a 'direct democracy', however, he was arguing for a 'Republican form of Government, and in so doing he wasn't arguing against a representative democracy, because that is what a Republican form of government is. We know this because that is precisely what the Constitution says:

Article 4 section 4 of the Us Constitution:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government...

So, what is a 'republican form of government'?

A 'republican form of government' is a representative democracy.

What that means, is that the United States is a democracy of a certain type, a representative democracy. This is fulfilled by Congress, the House of Representatives, The Senate, The VP (to break ties) and the President (to sign legislation).

So says the US Citizenship and Immigration Department of the United States Government

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/lesson-plans/Government_and_You_handouts.pdf

Democracy in the United States.

The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected officials are two ways that Americans can participate in their democracy.


The point is, terms like 'Constitutional Republic', 'Republican Form of Government' "Representative Democracy' are not mutually exclusive terms and they all fall under the general more descriptive term called 'Democracy', as the term has been used for centuries beyond the parochial usage of it by Mssrs Madison, Hamilton, et al.


So, a quick review: And semantics are at play here. 'democracy' or 'liberal democracy', is a concept more than just 'voting'. It relates to the notion of a citizenship who have freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of speech, as embodied in the Bill of Rights. When we say 'America is a liberal democracy', or just 'democracy' no one is referring to voting directly for laws, nor any voting system, the term 'Democracy" is a descriptive term embodying all of these things of which a representative body elected by citizens is part. It means the power of our leaders flows from the people, as opposed to a society of fascism, tyranny, rule of men or man/woman, etc.

What do we think of when the term 'liberal democracy' is spoken?

We think of all the nations of the western world, all of whom are said to be 'liberal democracies' or 'western democracies' inclusive of the USA, Canada, and the European nations and others ..To wit;

Liberal Democracies of the world. (Wikipedia)

There is agreement amongst several intellectuals and organizations such as Freedom House that the states of the European Union (with the exception of Poland and Hungary), United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Japan, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, South Korea, Taiwan, the United States, India, Canada,[27][28][29][30][31] Uruguay, Costa Rica, Israel, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand[32] are liberal democracies, with India currently having the largest population among the democracies in the world.[33]


"Republican Form Of Government"



Yes, we are talking about a Constitutional Republic, that's a given.

 

I was always taught that we are a democratically elected Constitutional Republic.

As you have pointed out, varying descriptions of our government are not mutually exclusive, thus there are several different descriptions that can all be labeled as accurate. However one chooses to describe our government, virtually everyone knows our actual system of government. This is not some highly guarded secret. If you want to get as technical as to point out that we are not a direct democracy, or to perhaps point out that we are a Constitutional Republic etc, one can do so and still be 100% correct.

I would imagine that some people may be tempted to get that technical when another points to the mythical popular vote as if that is somehow supposed to elect a President.by virtue of us being a democracy. In that situation, pointing to us being a constitutional Republic is pointing to the reality that our constitution proscribes that the electoral college rather than the mythical popular vote is what determines who wins the presidency, despite the reality that our leaders are elected via the democratic process.

In truth, this is all one big pointless argument. In whatever manner that one wants to argue that the president should be elected via a popular vote, the bottom line is that it goes against our system of governance. If you want to describe that as our constitution proscibing the electoral college, or that being a Republic not everything is determined via a popular vote of the people as in a direct democracy, one can do that and still be entirely correct.

The bottom line is "who cares"? To call this much ado about NOTHING is an understatement. You are acting as if this debate somehow is an existential threat to the existence of our government and that is about as silly as it gets. At best, this argument is one of semantics. Just because you choose to describe our government with one term that by your own admission is not mutually exclusive from another term, does not make you intelligent and the other person STUPID as you like to say so frequently. It only means that you are choosing to use different terms to describe the exact same thing. If you want to argue that the Electoral College is anti-democracy you can try, but the reality is, that the electoral college is how our presidents are determined according to the laws of this country.

If you ask me, the only thing STUPID involved here is the argument itself and the accompanying phony outrage. Who cares? Call it a republic. Call it a democracy. Call it a constitutional democratic republic. They all mean the same friggen thing and are not mutually exclusive. Everyone knows our system of government. Stop acting as if our country's survival depends upon what it is called.

 

This is an argument of semantics, that's a parochial use of the term. It has a broader meaning. Republicans have made the error of assuming Hamilton's and Madison's parochial use of the term is the only limited definition of the terms, and this is false. In fact, historically speaking, the terms have broader definitions.

That is also a parochial use of the term. In the broader sense, a republic is merely any system of governance where the leaders are either appointed or elected, as opposed to a monarchy. There are republics ruled by tyrants, there are republics whose leaders are elected by 'the people'. There are Socialist Republics, there are Islamic Republics, Constitutional/Democratic Republics (us). So, when you say 'Republic', it requires qualification as to the type. Pay close attention to the full and broad definition of the term, per Merriam Webster's Dictionary


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One protects the rights of the majority and the other protects the rights of the minority.
And I didn't need paragraphs of garbage to explain it.

So now you're calling your beloved Pelosi a liar?[/QUOTE]

Pelosi never said America wasn't a democracy.

Article 4 section 4 of the Us Constitution:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government...

So, what is a 'republican form of government'?

A 'republican form of government' is a representative democracy.

So says the US Citizenship and Immigration Department of the United States Government who teach our newest citizens what a 'democracy' is.

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/lesson-plans/Government_and_You_handouts.pdf

Democracy in the United States.

The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected officials are two ways that Americans can participate in their democracy.

And semantics are at play here. because the term 'democracy' or 'liberal democracy' is a concept more than just 'voting'. It relates to the notion of a citizenship who have freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of speech, as embodied in the Bill of Rights. When we say 'America is a liberal democracy', no one is referring to voting directly for laws, it's concept embodying all of these things of which a representative body elected by citizens is part. It means the power of our leaders flows from the people.

What do we think of when the term 'liberal democracy' is spoken?

We think of all the nations of the western world, all of whom are said to be 'liberal democracies' or 'western democracies' inclusive of the USA, Canada, and the European nations and others ..To wit;

Liberal Democracies of the world. (Wikipedia)

There is agreement amongst several intellectuals and organizations such as Freedom House that the states of the European Union (with the exception of Poland and Hungary), United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Japan, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, South Korea, Taiwan, the United States, India, Canada,[27][28][29][30][31] Uruguay, Costa Rica, Israel, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand[32] are liberal democracies, with India currently having the largest population among the democracies in the world.[33]

 

That is not the point. The argument is "Is America a democracy". Republicans of late are going around an claiming, incorrectly, that America is not a 'democracy', but they are doing this on a very narrow (parochial) definition of the term, and that is not what it is generally meant when teachers, professors, academicians and from first grade on up through post graduate schools not to mention authors of history mean when they lecture us on the point that 'America is a democracy'. Republicans really are missing the point of what that declaration means and let's be clear, they are the only ones doing it and they are doing it rather recently, because in my entire 71 years on this earth, no where did I ever hear any teacher, professor, academician or author of history ever assert that America is not a democracy. No one in academia, authors of history, are diminishing nor ignoring the concept of a 'constitutional republic' in any description or lecture on the point that 'America is a democracy'.

Republicans are missing a very simple point.

The point is, 'democracy' is a broad term, signifying more than just how a nation votes for it's leaders, it signifies a nation of rule of law as opposed to rule of a tyrant, it signifies a nation where people can engage in a the free exchange of ideas with impunity, freedom of association/assembly as embodied in a bill of rights, etc., the term 'democracy' embodies all of these things and this idea that America is not a democracy is silly argument, an argument fomented by the right by virtue of their tripping up on the wrong side of semantics, and they have done this in recent years because they haven't won the popular vote in a while so they need this new definition which poo poos democracy so they can feel good about their recent spate of anti-democratic voter suppression laws. This is what is going on here, let's be frank and to claim otherwise, well, republicans are not fooling anyone, especially Mark Levin.

Madison argued against a direct democracy, but he was using the term in the most parochial sense, i.e., a 'direct democracy', however, he was arguing for a 'Republican form of Government, and in so doing he wasn't arguing against a representative democracy, because that is what a Republican form of government is. We know this because that is precisely what the Constitution says:

Article 4 section 4 of the Us Constitution:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government...

So, what is a 'republican form of government'?

A 'republican form of government' is a representative democracy.

What that means, is that the United States is a democracy of a certain type, a representative democracy. This is fulfilled by Congress, the House of Representatives, The Senate, The VP (to break ties) and the President (to sign legislation).

So says the US Citizenship and Immigration Department of the United States Government

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/lesson-plans/Government_and_You_handouts.pdf

Democracy in the United States.

The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected officials are two ways that Americans can participate in their democracy.


The point is, terms like 'Constitutional Republic', 'Republican Form of Government' "Representative Democracy' are not mutually exclusive terms and they all fall under the general more descriptive term called 'Democracy', as the term has been used for centuries beyond the parochial usage of it by Mssrs Madison, Hamilton, et al.


So, a quick review: And semantics are at play here. 'democracy' or 'liberal democracy', is a concept more than just 'voting'. It relates to the notion of a citizenship who have freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of speech, as embodied in the Bill of Rights. When we say 'America is a liberal democracy', or just 'democracy' no one is referring to voting directly for laws, nor any voting system, the term 'Democracy" is a descriptive term embodying all of these things of which a representative body elected by citizens is part. It means the power of our leaders flows from the people, as opposed to a society of fascism, tyranny, rule of men or man/woman, etc.

What do we think of when the term 'liberal democracy' is spoken?

We think of all the nations of the western world, all of whom are said to be 'liberal democracies' or 'western democracies' inclusive of the USA, Canada, and the European nations and others ..To wit;

Liberal Democracies of the world. (Wikipedia)

There is agreement amongst several intellectuals and organizations such as Freedom House that the states of the European Union (with the exception of Poland and Hungary), United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Japan, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, South Korea, Taiwan, the United States, India, Canada,[27][28][29][30][31] Uruguay, Costa Rica, Israel, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand[32] are liberal democracies, with India currently having the largest population among the democracies in the world.[33]


"Republican Form Of Government"



So, when we say 'America is a democracy' we signify Democracy in the broad sense of the word.

Of late, Republicans are claiming America is not a democracy based on Madison's parochial use of the term. But he is not the final arbiter of the term's meaning. We have an abundance of historical data and how the term is used in a broader sense to refute this notion.

In truth, to assert that American is not a democracy, using the term democracy in the broader sense, republicans are wrong.

 

Oh, it's a very important point, to wit;

I care because Republicans are going around declaring America is not a democracy in order to feel good about their voter suppression laws, and to feel better about not winning the popular vote.

They never in my 70 years made this claim before they started losing the popular vote and decided to come up with voter suppression laws.

The point is, 'democracy' is a broad term, signifying more than just how a nation votes for it's leaders, it signifies a nation of rule of law as opposed to rule of a tyrant, it signifies a nation where people can engage in a the free exchange of ideas with impunity, freedom of association/assembly as embodied in a bill of rights, etc., the term 'democracy' embodies all of these things and this idea that America is not a democracy based on Madison's parochial use of the term is a silly argument. No author of history, no teacher, no professor or academician assert that America is not a democracy. In my entire life, 71 years, I never heard anyone make this claim until republicans started losing the popular vote.

Yes, it's semantics and republicans fail to grasp this, and they are wrong because what is driving it is an ulterior motive.

 

Right. In my entire 71 years on this earth, I never heard any teacher, professor, academician or author of history ever claim that America is not a democracy. Of late, Republicans make this claim only so they can feel good about:

1. Losing consistently the popular vote.
2. Their voter suppression laws.
3. Trump's subversion of the 2020 election.

 

You're missing the point. When we say 'America is a democracy' we are not referring to a narrow definition of the term.

Madison argued against a direct democracy, he was using the parochial sense of the term, it's historical usage has a much broader definition. The point is, 'democracy' is a broad term, signifying more than just how a nation votes for it's leaders, it signifies a nation of rule of law as opposed to rule of a tyrant, it signifies a nation where people can engage in a the free exchange of ideas with impunity, freedom of association/assembly as embodied in a bill of rights, etc.,

However, he was arguing for a 'Republican form of Government, and in so doing he wasn't arguing against a representative democracy, because that is what a Republican form of government is.

Article 4 section 4 of the Us Constitution:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government...

So, what is a 'republican form of government'?

A 'republican form of government' is a representative democracy.

What that means, is that the United States is a democracy of a certain type, a representative democracy. This is fulfilled by Congress, the House of Representatives, The Senate, The VP (to break ties) and the President (to sign legislation).

So says the US Citizenship and Immigration Department of the United States Government

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/lesson-plans/Government_and_You_handouts.pdf

Democracy in the United States.

The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected officials are two ways that Americans can participate in their democracy.


The point is, terms like 'Constitutional Republic', 'Republican Form of Government' "Representative Democracy' are not mutually exclusive terms.


And semantics are at play here. because the term 'democracy' or 'liberal democracy' is a concept more than just 'voting'. It relates to the notion of a citizenship who have freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of speech, as embodied in the Bill of Rights. When we say 'America is a liberal democracy', no one is referring to voting directly for laws, it's concept embodying all of these things of which a representative body elected by citizens is part. It means the power of our leaders flows from the people.

What do we think of when the term 'liberal democracy' is spoken?

We think of all the nations of the western world, all of whom are said to be 'liberal democracies' or 'western democracies' inclusive of the USA, Canada, and the European nations and others ..To wit;

Liberal Democracies of the world. (Wikipedia)

There is agreement amongst several intellectuals and organizations such as Freedom House that the states of the European Union (with the exception of Poland and Hungary), United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Japan, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, South Korea, Taiwan, the United States, India, Canada,[27][28][29][30][31] Uruguay, Costa Rica, Israel, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand[32] are liberal democracies, with India currently having the largest population among the democracies in the world.[33]

"Republican Form Of Government"

 

Those are pretty bold statements coming from the poster who claimed judges make laws and the electoral college was instituted because they didn't have computers.
Sounds more like you don't like anyone providing information that doesn't corroborate your ideas.
A Republic has always been different from a Democracy which is why they are two separate terms. If you don't like mob rule then you don't like a Democracy which is global in the fact that the majority rules.
Which is why you can't find any other poster that agrees with you.

 

All they are doing is responding to your silly and mythical "popular vote" argument. You act as if Republicans honestly care about popular vote. They do not. It is literally like arguing that a football team was the real winner because they gained more yards than the other team while wholly ignoring the actual rules of the game where they scored less points than the other team. You pretend as if popular vote is a real thing then you goad people into correctly pointing out that the Constitution spells out the electoral college and in order to convey that some people describe it as us being a Constitutuonal Republic as opposed to a direct Democracy. They are not incorrect.

You are pretending like this is some sort of existential crisis when in reality it is a silly, meaningless semantical argument that means absolutely nothing. You are bogusly trying to pretend like this is an attack on Democracy. Your incessant pearl-clutching is like the boy who cried wolf. It carries no meaning whatsoever.

 

Of course a republic is different from a democracy!!
That is precisely what I have been saying!
And of course judges make rules.
Judgements become precedents by which others are judged.
If i don't like mob rule then I don't like democracy?? What kind of illogical nonsense is that? Put it the inverse...if I like mob rule I like democracy?
You should proofread your posts before you send them.

 

Thats not a law, Judges ONLY rule on EXISTING laws. They don't create them.
Their ruling may set precedents on how other judges might rule on EXISTING LAWS.
But judges are free to rule against any precedent they wish. Which is why we have appeals courts and the SCOTUS.
There is no creation of a law by how a judge rules and no creation of a law if one ruling sets a precedent on how rulings might be cast moving forward.

Thats EXACTLY what it means. A Democracy is governed by majority rule. Always has been, always will be.
And you can stop with the attempts to compare the US Constitution to any other country in the world because the US Constitution is unlike ANY OTHER constitution in the world.
Yours or other countries definitions do not effect the US Constitution or its governance. In any way, shape, or form.

You don't get to wave your magic flag and decide because South Africa sees Democracy one way, that all other countries have the same governance. It doesn't work that way.
In this country, Democracy is a form of governance where no Electoral College would ever exist. You wouldn't have electors and what ever the majority vote is would cast the next president.

Our Forefathers have addressed this in writing, its public information, and has been etched into US history for over 200 years. Which is why our pledge of allegiance states, I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America. AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

But you thought you would just overturn an entire constitution and every document created by the US because you think (or some other country thinks) Democracy isn't majority rule?
Best of luck with that idea.

 

All of your word twisting, is just word twisting.
I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
End of story

If we were a Democracy, there wouldn't be an electoral college, there wouldn't be electors, and the majority votes would dictate governance.
Benjamin Franklyn made it clear that we have a Republic
Nancy Pelosi made it clear we have a Republic
And every document we have in the creation of this country clearly points out why its a Republic and not a Democracy and the reasons why.

The first public meeting of the general anti-Nebraska movement, at which the name Republican was proposed, was held on March 20, 1854, at the Little White Schoolhouse in Ripon, Wisconsin.
The word republican means “of, relating to, or of the nature of a republic.” Similarly to the word democratic, the word republican describes things that resemble or involve a particular form of government, in this case the government in question is a republic. A republic is a government system in which power rests with voting citizens who directly or indirectly choose representatives to exercise political power on their behalf.

The Democrat party was formed in 1828. The formed Democratic Party supported expansive presidential power, the interests of slave states, agrarianism, and expansionism, and split in 1860 over slavery. The Democrat party was formed to support majority rule and still does to this day through the continued attacks of the electoral college.

No matter how many word twisting text you provide, you can't overcome the historical documents or the creation of a Republic. The ONLY reason you are so offended is the name Republican came from the creation of the Republic.

 

I believe that the classic definition of a democracy as a form of government that has the people vote on issues, not representatives. A classic democracy doesn't need representatives. Everyone represents her or himself. A form of government that uses representatives for the people is called a republic which is the form of government we have. We do use democratic methods for selecting representatives so the correct term for our form of government is democratic republic. We believe in and practice democracy not only in the elections of representatives but in the congress and the supreme court. But we do it in the framework of a republic. Hope that helps.

 

Again I have no idea how you arrived at any of that so please stop putting words into my mouth.
I sincerely care so much that I am not prepared to go into mortal combat. As for laws, they are made by interpretation of a principle or general piece of legislation. Congress does not for instance set speed limits or length of sentences.
However I don't have to have a long drawn out battle with you. You need to expand your experience more before I invest my time 8n debate with you.
One last word, before you make claims for your Constitution you might take a look at some others.

 

Nothing but more deflections
State legislatures set speed limits, not judges or Congress.
You have no idea what you're talking about so you have decided to just post babble

I don't need to look at any other Constitutions to know what the US Constitution says or know the difference between a Republic and a Democracy.
And the only things you have provided are deflections, false claims, and just general babble.
Which is why NOBODY agrees with you on ANYTHING you have posted thus far.
So yeah, you should stop wasting your time

 

You do need to know about other parts of your comparison.
Otherwise you have no idea what you are talking about.
Thanks for confirming that congress does not set many laws. Precedents become laws. Otherwise you have a completely disparate legal system.
BTW I assume once again that I am not here to collect brownie points or crave approval.
I also said in another thread that I not here to convince anyone of anything. Or win games suggested by biased posters.
Nor do I care what you think of my posts
I am just part of the general stewpot of ideas. Nothing more, nothing less.
IOW I am not part of your snowball fights.
I dint need your approval thanks.

 

Sure, some of them. Too bad the BLM and ANTIFA rioters weren't held to the same standard.

 

Because your teachers, professors, academicians, and authors of history claimed the US is a Republic.
They just figured common sense would inform you that means it isn't a Democracy since they are both different forms of government.

Just like your claim that Pelosi never claimed it wasn't a Democracy when she stated we are a Republic.
Desperately Laughable

 

They didn't try to corrupt, ignore and overthrow your precious constitution.

 

Neither did the J6 clowns. But, the BLM and ANTIFA rioters still broke the law. Why weren't they held to the same standard? Are you admitting there's a double standard?

 

Being a republic does not exclude being a democracy.
What may have happened is that when you said every morning in your five minutes of propaganda " I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States and to the Republic for which it stands" you confused it with democracy which you were always told is a "good thing".
I have no issue with that. It is a good thing. But it does not equate with a republic.

Think about it. The UK is a full democracy...and is not a republic. It has a publicly accepted monarchy.

 

DEFLECTION
I don't need comparisons to know what the bill of rights states

DEFLECTION
I NEVER made that claim. I only stated they do not make speed limits for states because of your post

Name one. GUARANTEED you won't even attempt it because you can't

DEFLECTION
I never claimed you did. I said nobody agrees with your claims because the are false

Anything else other than your normal Deflections or are we done here?

 

Pitting Americans against each other is dangerous. A divided nation is a weak nation. Odd that you would use the term "Trumpist" in the same thread accusing others of being in an echo chamber. That term was fed to people to rebleat for the purpose of demonizing those with opposing beliefs.

People are using many terms, fascist, communist, socialist, etc. Its a free country. I call it a kleptocracy.

 

I just answered that.
They by your constitutional law were using your freedom of assembly and speech

Trp acted directly contrary to the constitutionally established handover of power.
He actually tried to defraud your Constitution. Rip up your long established description of your rule of law.
BLM took down a couple of offensive statues.
No competition.

 

If you think I am deflecting why are you so concerned about my original claims.
I won't be bullied sir. I did not even mention your bill of rights. I was discussing your Constitution.
I still don't care if anyone agrees with me. I kind iod care if they can properly refute what I say.
So far you fail.