THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ukrainian victory? No way! This is 6 month streak of Russian victories during this short special military operation. Everyone who reads Russian media knows it.
     
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    I do not know what the Russian media write, but if they write about the victory, then they are completely right. And this is obvious to everyone who has a brain.
    Putin is not at war with Ukraine, Putin is at war with the West. While he does it on the territory of Ukraine.
    If you follow Putin's decisions, you can see that Putin is a very cautious person. And he obviously knows how to wait.
    Ask yourself the question - why should Putin quickly conquer Ukraine? What's the point for him?
    Incur additional losses? Obviously not profitable
    Stop sanctions against Russia? Obviously not profitable. Because the profits of the Russians have grown many times over, support for Putin among the population has grown many times over, Europe is turning into a bunch of beggars, Russia's influence is obviously growing. (You can look at the vote in the UN. In February, Russian support was 40%, today -80%)...etc.
    Why would the Russians advance quickly?
    Putin must wait until the population of Europe starves and starts to freeze, which will inevitably lead to riots and a change of governments and the fall of the European economy. And consequently, it will lead to a change in the ruling elite to a pro-Russian one. The same thing will happen in Ukraine - the population will soon howl from hunger and cold, with all the ensuing consequences. Especially looking at how the former fellow citizens in the liberated territories are fattening.
    Putin is doing everything right.
     
  3. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I lived in Russia I would agree with every word you said, but lucky for me I live in a free country where I have a freedom to call Russian invasion a war or "special military operation" without a fear of being arrested.
    In the West we have a freedom to believe that you do not know what the Russian media write or we can believe that you are paid worker of Putin or unpaid worker for Putin, forgot how Russians are calling unpaid supportes, useful sages?
    You explanations why the "special military operation" takes more than 6 months remininds me German Nazi explanation why they withdraw to 'previously planned locations" for better preparations to successful attack.
    Let's wait and see, meantime the best success of Putins plans it convincing Finland and Sweden to join NATO.
    I will not be surprised if a coup in Russia will accuse Putin of being NATO supporter.
     
  4. Destroyer of illusions

    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    You say - "Let's wait." And that's a great recommendation. Agreed - Let's wait.
     
  5. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You live in a free country? I wonder which one that is?

    Here in the US you are free to go shopping, but you are not free to express doubts about government stories. Ask Peter McCullough MD. He lost his license to practice medicine for expressing thoughts that dissented from the Official Narrative regarding Covid.
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I live in the US, a country where you can freely express your political opinions about everything.
    But I see you got confused about expressing opinions. In the US everyone can express any political opinion, but if you belong to any profession any organization, you cannot express your professional opinion which contradicts consensus, but you can write an article in a professional magazine proving your points.
    For example a lawyer whose personal opinion is “it is legal to steal and murder” will be expelled from any lawyers associations.
    A physicians whose opinions is that prays are more efficient than antibiotics will be expelled from physicians organizations, but he/she can prove his points showing the evidence in a professional magazine.

    So enjoy, you are still living in a free country.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you believe that, and I know you do, keep your Rose Colored glasses on. If you're happy, I'm happy. :lol:
     
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    Sure. Please send proof of life for the following Russian officers that were only killed on twitter.

    Andrei Sukhovetsky Major General[a] Deputy Commander, 41st Combined Arms Army 1 March 2022[7] Confirmed Shot by a sniper at Hostomel[8][9] on 28 February 2022.[10][11] Had previously been involved in the Russian military intervention in the Syrian civil war, and 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea.[12] His death was reported by a retired Russian intelligence officer on Twitter on 1 March[7] and by Russian online tabloid Pravda.ru on 3 March 2022.[13]

    Andrei Kolesnikov Major General Commander, 29th Combined Arms Army 11 March 2022[14] Claimed Killed somewhere near Mariupol.[14]

    Oleg Mityaev Major General Commander, 150th Motorized Rifle Division 15 March 2022[12][15] Claimed Killed somewhere near Mariupol.[12]

    Yakov Rezantsev Lieutenant General Commander, 49th Combined Arms Army 25 March 2022[16] Claimed Ukrainian officials claimed he was killed as a result of a Ukrainian strike on the command post of the 49th Combined Arms Army in the Chornobaivka airfield in the Kherson Raion.[17][16]

    Vladimir Frolov Major General Deputy Commander, 8th Guards Combined Arms Army 16 April 2022[18] Confirmed No information about his death was released prior to the notice of his funeral at Serafimovskoe Cemetery, St. Petersburg.[19][20][21]

    Andrei Simonov Major General Chief of Electronic Warfare Troops, 2nd Guards Combined Arms Army 30 April 2022[22] Claimed Killed during an artillery strike on a command post of the 2nd Combined Arms Army, in the vicinity of occupied Izium.[22]

    Kanamat Botashev Major General (retired) Unclear 22 May 2022[23] Confirmed Killed in the Luhansk region when his Su-25 was shot down by a FIM-92 Stinger missile[24] Botashev had been previously discharged from the Russian Air Force for crashing a Su-27.[25] Ukrainian sources suggested that he might have been deployed as part of the paramilitary organization Wagner Group.[26]

    Roman Kutuzov Lieutenant General Commander, 1st Army Corps, Donetsk People's Militia[27] 5 June 2022[28] Confirmed Reported by Russian state television reporter Alexander Sladkov on the Telegram messaging app.[28] Kutuzov was reportedly killed near the village of Mykolaivka, Popasna Raion, Luhansk Oblast.[29][28] Kutuzov's promotion from major general was announced posthumously.[30][31]

    And how is the Moskva doing these days?

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    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    NATO combined GDP: $44.7 trillion
    Dwarfistan GDP: $1.5 trillion

    NATO combined population: 949 million
    Dwarfistan population: 144 million

    NATO military spending: $1.2 trillion in 2021
    Dwarfistan military spending: $62 billion in 2021

    NATO troop strength (active): 5.4 million
    Dwarfistan troop strength (active): 1.2 million - and steadily dropping


    Vlad the Incompetent bit off way more than he can chew.
     
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    THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE FRONT, THE POLITER SMART OFFICERS GET: Three FSB officers, Igor Yakubinsky, Sergei Privalov and D.A. Borodin, walk into a bar…and get shot by drunk two Russian soldiers Sgt. Sergei Obukhov and Junior Sgt. Igor Sudin.

    They only died on twitter.

    'Kherson City is a' currently 'Russian occupied portion of southern Ukraine. Three FSB officers (agents?) walked into a bar and immediately noticed a couple of Russian soldiers getting drunk in uniform. They told them to knock it off but the Russian soldiers didn’t take it well.'

    'Obukhov responded by removing his sidearm and firing rounds into the floor. Officer 'Privalov tried to grab the gun, whereupon Sudin started spraying the security servicemen with rounds from his AK-74 assault rifle, as Privalov and Yakubinsky returned fire.'

    'Obukhov, Privalov and Yakubinsky “died on the spot,” while Borodin and Sudin were “hospitalized with injuries of varying degrees of severity at Federal Naval Clinical Hospital No. 1427 of the Russian Defense Ministry, located in Sevastopol,” in occupied Crimea. A fourth FSB officer, unidentified in the documents, fled the site'.

    'In the suburbs, Russian soldiers walk through the streets drunk, “a bottle of alcohol in one hand, a machine gun in the other”.'

    'Soldiers who are getting drunk day and night don’t sound like much of a fighting force. This might help explain why they haven’t made any progress for months.'

    Operation Mop Up.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    It's important you are able to distinguish liberty, from privlage to understand why your opinion is not based on reality, but pro putin propiganda.

    It's obvious from your example you do not.
     
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    Zа победу!!
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    :D
     
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    oh yeah, victory indeed



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    Ukrainian army release video diary of active combat on the 31st of August



    :)
     
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    Hahaha .... You better tell us what is happening near Kherson these days. And at the same time you can tell about Enerhodar. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Everyone can see here, how much worth the statements of these "nazinazinazi" bots have - total wishful thinking and lies, lies, lies.
     
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    Most here know that the Russians are the true Nazi's. They invade, rape and slaughter. They are a country made up almost entirely of white people with white supremacists in their own military and have infiltrated their government. The Russian government rules over their own people like Fascist Nazi's whereas any differing opinion is unilaterally shut down via arrest or imprisonment. They act exactly like how the Nazi's acted which is why it is hilarious they try to use propaganda to promote an invasion under Nazi pretenses. Fortunately, the rest of the world except those who have been sheeped sees through their lies.
     
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    lol..
     
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    Ahh, Putler is big mad. A Russia plane went into Turkish area space, supposedly, it was a spy plane so Tukey shot it down and captured the pilot.

     
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    I'm antagonistic to all forms of Authoritarianism, of which Fascism is just one.

    UKRAINE WAR: Moscow, We Have a Problem. “Ukraine’s unexpected and rapid advances in the north — as documented by these Russian sources — have engendered a palpable frustration from writers usually known for their pro-Moscow drumbeating.”

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    UPDATE: OPERATION MOP-UP

    'One Ukraine soldier posted a photo of himself in the just-liberated village of Ivanovka — complete with a menacing message for any Ukrainians who collaborated with the Russians. Russian milblogger “Ghost of Zeepo” wasn’t happy with the situation, but his anger wasn’t directed at Ukraine.'

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    Ukraine presses forward, destroying the bridges behind Russian forces they would need for a retreat or resupply:

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    As my dad used to say, "A hard dick ain't got no sense." :buggered:
     
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    How about some news from a non MSM source.

    The small Russian garrison of Balakleya in Kharkov withdrew, something the Russians usually do before reorganizing its advance. The city was occupied by the Ukrainians who attacked in waves, in spite of the manifold losses they suffered in Kherson.

    Russia's problem is the numerical difference since 135,000 Russians are fighting against an army of 1,500,000 Ukrainians and Western mercenaries - who just by chance resigned from their armies (Nato?).

    Russia realizes now that it can't protect the large areas by using only 1/10 of its armed forces, and to train militias from the local Russians does take time. So they'll be reinforcing them with 175,000 more Russian soldiers.

    The city Ukraine took is a hub between Kharkiv and Donbass and is located at a strategic point south of Izyum - which is the ultimate goal of the Ukrainians. Shortly we'll probably see a massive bombardment by the Russians on the Ukrainian troops and arms depot, since Putin did say that Kharkov must be taken by all means because of its terrain and proximity to the Russian border.

    In the meantime orders were given to Kharkov by Ukraine, to round up all Russian 'traitors', which means they're looking for human shields. The difference between Kharkov and the other cities, is that in Kharkov the Russians are a minority rather than a majority so the Ukrainians can't just grab anyone.
     
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    Judging by the quality of this most recent piece of propaganda and the absence of the usual suspects I'm assuming Moscow hasn't yet settled on a propaganda campaign to explain the 'rearward advance' happening near Kharkiv. All that talk of thousands of trapped Ukranians near Kherson seems to have gone quiet.

    I'm not sure what is funner, the imaginary1.5 million Ukranian army or the imaginary 175,000 Russian reinforcements. I wonder what happened to all those Africans & Syrians Jenny assured us were coming months ago. Maybe they are training wiht the 100,000 North Koreans. :D
     
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