THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. Tofiks

    Tofiks Banned

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    "We came to kill, rape and loot telling everyone, that Ukraine will be defeated in 3 days, but got twist right into face. IT'S NOT FARE!" :D
    You will see, now these bots will run around and tell everyone, that Ukraine have 10 000 0000 army, who was defeated allready in March, by the way. New metodical materials recieved.
     
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    Yes, Putin's regime is quite close to totalitarian Nazi, fascist and communist regimes in the past. Same goodlike fjurer as head of nation, militarism, aggressive foreign policy, hate of Westen values, hate of homosexual people, hate of whole nations, this time Ukrainians and Americans. They do not even recognize, that Ukrainian nation exist and openly declare, that their aim is to exterminate Ukraine state and nation. But for "nazinazinazi" bots, RT victims and useful idiots in West, Ukrainians are "Nazi nation". But when You will ask them "why Ukrainians are Nazi nation?", they will not answer anything, because the are either bots on salary or just total morons, who believe, that RT can be the source of information.
     
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    Ahahaha.... Everything is in place. In a couple of weeks, you will just see another cauldron where Ukrainian fascists will crawl and beg for mercy.
    It is obvious. This has already happened many times.
     
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    When and where "Ukrainian fascists" begged for mercy? Till now, they are utilizing Russian rapers, marauders and killers pretty good. Man, you told here in March that Ukrainian army is defeated. It's September now. Your words is not worth used toilet paper. :D
     
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    Ahahaha... Ukrainian fascists not only crawl on their knees and ask for mercy, they enthusiastically sing the Russian anthem. (By the way, British mercenaries also crawl on their knees and sing the Russian anthem).
    By the way, I know you're a big expert on used toilet paper. You tend to use it multiple times. https://www.netzerocompany.com/products/reusable-toilet-paper-roll


     
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    Where, in Your dreams?
    Everyone knows the worth of used toilet paper, just as everyone here can see the worth of your words.
     
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    @Destroyer of illusions

    By the way, where is US general, which, as You declared, was captured in Mariupol? Someone saw him? Or again, your word is not worth a ****? :D
     
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    There were also all the 'NATO officers' Jenny claimed were there too. None of them have turned up....just like when she made the same claim about NATO/Israeli officers trapped in Aleppo. Funny how they all just move on to the next lie. Now it is the '1.5 million' Ukranian Army. I legitimately laughed out loud when I read that.
     
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    Yes, exactly, they don't even bother themselves to come up with something new. In Syria also Syrian rebels bombed themselves even with chemical weapons, same In Ukraine - Russian invasion is going on, but Ukrainians... bomb themselves and destroy their own cities. How stupid should be the man, to take seriously all these "nazinazinazi" bots?
     
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    Ahahaha....The value of used toilet paper is written on your price tag. :roflol::roflol::roflol: See link.

    British mercenary sings Russian anthem



    Ukrainian fascists sing the anthem of Russia.

     
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    UPDATE OPERATION MOP UP:

    Russia Routed in Kharkiv Counteroffensive. “Kyiv was somehow able to achieve operational-level surprise, sucker-punching Russia in the north (and even the east) while feinting to the south. The historical masters of deception were completely deceived. Books will be written about how Ukraine managed to pull that off.”

    Fighting For Their Homeland.

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    'One Russian-held city after another has fallen and Ukraine has recaptured a reported 3,000 square kilometers of occupied territory in the last week, most of it in the last 72 hours.'

    'With last night’s capture of Kupyansk, what started as a series of bearable defeats for Russia almost inevitably became a rout. Kupyansk was Moscow’s big logistical hub in the Kharkiv region, sitting across vital road and rail lines. The city fell with remarkable speed.'

    'Had the troops in Izyum waited much longer, they’d have been cut off and captured as Ukraine’s armored spearheads moved around and behind the city — some ever further east, towards Lyman.'

    Like's like things are going better for Ukraine and worst for Russia than claimed.
     
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    The only alternative Russia had considering its limited manpower, was to use its air power at the cost of hundreds of thousands of civilians - and that's something they try to avoid. Russia does have a history of retreating before a counterattack, so we'll just have to wait and see.
     
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    Hopefully everyone will settle for remaining within their boundaries rather than trying to take over their neighbor's land.
     
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    Where did these Russian-speaking Ukrainians, who's escaping from "Nazis", lived before 24.02.22?
     
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    And what did I said. :D

     
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    UPDATE OPERATION MOP UP: In Major Advance, Ukraine Drives Russians Out of Key Eastern City.

    'Ukrainian forces seized most of a strategically vital city in northeastern Ukraine on Saturday, cutting the main supply line to thousands of Russian troops near the eastern city of Izyum and marking the biggest strategic gain Ukraine has made since the start of an offensive this week.'

    'Photos from Russian and Ukrainian channels on Telegram showed Ukrainian soldiers holding the country’s flag in front of the city hall in Kupyansk, and Kremlin-loyal Russian military correspondents said Moscow’s forces had pulled back across the Oskil River to the eastern part of the city.'

    'The Kupyansk rail and road hub located in the western half of the city was the last artery connecting Russia with thousands of troops on territory that represented the bulk of Russia’s gains in May and June. Ukraine’s control of the road network also threatens Russia’s hold on Izyum, a city Moscow had planned to use to launch further attacks on Ukrainian-controlled parts of the Donetsk region in the country’s east.'

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    “It’s a complete collapse,” Phillips O’Brien, professor of strategic studies at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, said about the Russian pullout of forces between Kupyansk and Izyum. “In the battle of Donbas, they probably had more troops deployed there than anywhere and now they seem to be unable to hold anything.”
     
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    If you're referring to the Ukrainians from Western Ukraine, then it is their neighbors land since the Russians have been in the East and South of Ukraine since time immemorial - while in contrast, the Western Ukrainians want to steal it the way they did when they joined the SS in WWII and killed off all the Poles.

    The area around Kharkov is Russian speaking. It's only the city where they're in a minority. That's because it's highly industrialized and workers were brought in from the poor areas in Western Ukraine - which by the way is the reason for the war. Without the wealth of the Russian speaking areas in the East and South, Ukraine is of no use to anyone.


     
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    Good. If they don't want to be Ukranian, then they can ****. There is this really big country to the east I heard would take them in
     
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    You clearly have a perspective I do not have and that we are not often exposed to, thank you for sharing it.

    'A large majority of voters in eastern Ukraine (83% or more in each oblast) approved Ukraine's declaration of independence in the 1991 referendum, though the majority was not as big as in the west.'

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    That's an overwhelming vote by the People to leave the USSR and form the nation of Ukraine.

    And a decade later, it looks majority Ukrainian

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    'A 2007 survey by the Razumkov Centre asked "Would you like to have your region separated from Ukraine and joined another state?" In eastern Ukraine, 77.9% of respondents disagreed, 10.4% agreed, and the rest were undecided.'

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    'A November 2015 poll carried out by Rating Group Ukraine in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, except in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR)-controlled areas, found that 75% of residents wanted the entire Donbas region to stay in Ukraine, 7% said that it should join Russia, 1% wanted it to become an independent country, and 3% said that the DPR and the LPR-controlled territories should leave and the rest of Donbas remain in Ukraine. When asked if Russian-speaking citizens are under pressure or threat, 82% said 'no' and 11% said 'yes'. 2% "definitely" and 7% "somewhat" supported Russia sending troops to "protect" Russian-speakers in Ukraine, while 71% did not. 50% wanted Ukraine to remain a unitary country, 14% wanted it to be a federal country, 13% said it should remain unitary but without Crimea, and 7% wanted it to be divided into several countries.[28] If they had to choose between the Eurasian Customs Union and the European Union, 24% in eastern Ukraine (including Kharkiv Oblast) preferred the ECU and 20% preferred the EU (in Donbas: 33% for the ECU, 21% for the EU). On joining NATO, 15% were for, 15% were against, and most said that they would not vote or it was difficult to answer (in Donbas: 16% for, 47% against). Eastern Ukrainians were less likely to vote in parliamentary elections.'

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Ukraine#History
     
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    For those who don't know - east and south of Ukraine is steppe, where nomad people lived till 17. century, and this place was later colonized by ancestors of mostly Ukrainians and Russians. This bot lie again, his words is worth nothing.
     
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    91 changes everything and represents a contractual commitment by Russia of which they are proving to be vile, and untrustworthy.

    Because Russian.

    Ukraine was granted it's soveriegnty in exchange for nuclear disarming. That's just the bottom line. Nothing matter before that and Russia has leg to stand on to suggest otherwise.

    They signed off on it. And there was no threat on Russia or it's borders.

    Russia is acting against the treaty it signed.
     
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    This is how I recall events:

    Yanukovich had promised to join the EU until he realized that Ukraine's losses would not be around 35 billion, but more like hundreds of billions. The problem was that Ukraine had many beneficial trade agreements with Russia and if they joined the EU, it would then allow the EU goods to enter Russia under the same agreements.

    Yanukovich then asked the EU if they could help cover the losses in some way and they said no, and that he would have to get the funds from the IMF. The IMF's demands from Ukraine were to lower the social services 70% and double the price of gas - which he couldn't do. Vladimir Putin in turn was willing to speak to the EU about the trade agreements, but they refused.

    Putin then in good faith, was willing to pay off Ukraine's current debt of about 15 billion to the chagrin of the Russian people, who felt they did enough for Ukraine. But there was no nation in the world that would trust Ukraine and loan them the money - not even China. Anyway, none of this was told to the Ukrainian people.

    Western Ukraine was upset that Yanukovich didn't start the process to join the EU, so they threatened to secede. They were looking at Poland's development, not realizing that Poland was given enormous sums to develop, and that the money didn't exist anymore.

    It was Nuland who told them not to secede, and that she would put them in charge - which she did. I know that someone was paying the protesters, otherwise there was no way that the poorest people in Ukraine could survive for 3 months without working.

    Anyway this is the way I remember things, although the amounts mentioned might not be exactly accurate. But you get the drift. As for the polls they are right, because when Donetsk and Lugansk asked Putin if they could join Russia at Minsk, he said they couldn't because they were too intertwined with Ukraine, and that Russia wouldn't know where to put the demarcation line. He said when taking polls, the further West they went in Ukraine, the less the people wanted to be part of Russia.

    Crimea declared their independence after their protesters were killed at the Pogrom of Korsun for refusing to speak Ukrainian on their return from Maidan. They were then told by the Nazis that they would go to Crimea and do the same to everyone. When they went home, Crimea declared their independence.

    Donetsk and Lugansk wanted to declare independence after the Russian protesters were burnt alive and hacked at the Trade Union building in Odessa., but Yanukovich who was still alive thanks to Putin, told them not to, but to vote for special rights within Ukraine - which they did. Afterwards instead of speaking to them Poroshenko started bombing and killing the inhabitants of Lugansk and Mariupol.


    The situation today is difficult because people in places like Kherson are fearful to say they want to be part of Russia, just in case the Russians leave. Russia though is preparing the referendums, and the West of course is undermining them and saying they'll be fraudulent.
     
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    Thanks for sharing your account. During the Obama Administration I was amazed at how many American politicians and lobbyists were deeply involved in internal Ukrainian politics. I had no idea why, though I was confident that they were up to no good.
     
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    Why would ANYONE ever want to be part of Russia?
     
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