The Warrior Lifestyle

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  1. QLB

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    Warriors without weapons. Sounds like a snow flake high school club for Democrats.
     
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    Whoa padna. If you want to look at one of the biggest potential frauds in gun training, you only have to look at the Jeff Cooper. There are a lot of people out there who have embellished or outright made up their resumes and created a "persona." Chuck Taylor is a prime example. Todd Woodard, editor of Gun Tests is another.
    There are a lot of controversial people out there training and Saurez is one of them. His legal problems and association with Ignatius Piazza didn't help. The big however is that his classes are consistently ranked up there as being among the very best. Ultimately it boils down to that.
     
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    There are situations that require a weapon to address.
     
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    Wow. That's quite a self-righteous rant, and I have to laugh at your characterization of Suarez as a "wimp". You can disagree with him all you want, and you are free to condemn the man's politics, but to call him a "wimp" is laughable on its face. But then your definition of a warrior as stated above is equally wrong-headed.

    Suarez has been there and done that, and he's "seen the elephant" as the old saw says. If you think Suarez's position is that the gun makes the warrior then you hereby prove you know nothing of what the man teaches or advocates. He likes to talk about the "total weapon system", which is primarily the person themselves. He advocates fitness and healthy living as well as martial studies. The gun/knife/whatever is only the tool used for the fight. But he does speak unflinchingly about the best tool for the job, and for primary self-defense nothing beats a firearm. He's also been at the forefront of tactical innovation for going on 20 years.... and that makes for a far more impressive real world resume than I suspect you possess.

    You seize on his statements about terrorists, but that is only Suarez's worst case scenario. Either way, the reality is that extremist Islamic terrorism is growing and the number of incidents right here in the U.S. are increasing day by day. Are there terrorists of other philosophies and religions here in the U.S.? Certainly... which only makes the core of Suarez's philosophy that much more valid in today's world.
     
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    Yeah, Suarez has put about as much distance between himself and Piazza as he can; he openly detests the man and makes no secret of it. He started out as a student of Jeff Cooper's and spent time instructing at Gunsite himself before he was medically retired from law enforcement and went out on his own. The more he studied the realities of street combat the more he evolved away from Cooper's philosophy and doctrine; going from a static, rigid Weaver stance to a fluid, aggressive fighting style; a style effective enough that his methods are now being taught worldwide.
     
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    I am curious about your leftwing libertarian perspective. Your posts tend to be -as a general theme-an attempt to contradict or challenge pro gun posters without coming right out and spewing the anti gun nonsense we see from some other posters. But you rarely support gun rights either. Seems to me your positions are one of challenging conservatives without openly adopting the left wing based mantra against guns. Tell me exactly what is the "life of a warrior" and why that life style would be anti gun
     
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    And we have a lot more to worry about with car accidents or drownings than being shot by our neighbors? So what?
     
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    The only real warriors I know that arm themselves in this country are the double amputees, and paraplegics. And if I was either of those I'd carry to.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    That's really pretty silly if you think about it. we are now getting contrarian nonsense that seems to be based on politics rather than reality. Claiming a warrior would not be armed going into battle is just plumb stupid
     
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    You don't stop playing golf because you're afraid of lightening. You use your head. You don't need to carry because there are bad guys around, you use your head.
     
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    They say Hitler was a good painter. LOL
     
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    What battle? There is no battle here son, just life.

    Imagine missing that point?
     
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    How do you explain the people who have successfully defended themselves against attackers with a CCW firearm? Totally unnecessary?
     
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    How do you explain the millions of us who haven't, and are still alive and well?
     
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    You haven't been attacked by a violent criminal determined to bring you harm.
     
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    I assume you have something to back that up?
    That doesn't pass the smell test.
    Includes the attacks on black churches in the South?
    Are you distinguishing between normal racists and radical racists?
    What about just right-wing crazies, as in Oklahoma City bombing?
     
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    As if you know that.
     
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    I don't know you, but I can say with little fear of contradiction that if you were attacked by an armed, determined criminal intent to bring you harm, and you yourself were unarmed but emerged unscathed, then you were very, very lucky.
     
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    That exact thing happened to me in 1972, at 2:00 A.M., in South Boston. And I'm alive not because I'm lucky, but because I used my head.
     
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    So is it your position that if everyone just used their head criminals would never find victims?
     
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    Criminals will find victims, and yes, partly because people don't use their heads. But if you use your head your chances of being one are reduced to the point of being insignificant. Now, as I've stated, if you live in one of those rare, but extremely dangerous neighborhoods, and you feel the need to carry, be my guest.
     
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    No, you were lucky.

    Sure, I don't know the details, and I wasn't there. But either the criminal was just threatening you and had no real intent of hurting you, or he got stupid (as some criminals are wont to do) and got close enough, unaware of your military background and you used the weapons you had available to you. Regardless, there were only two possible outcomes. 1. The criminal didn't really want to bring you harm and got what he wanted because you capitulated to his demands. 2. You succeeded in fighting him off thanks to your training.

    A lot of people experience #1, and are responsible for empowering criminals by motivating them to continue with what has now been confirmed to be a valid tactic. #2, if you were unarmed and fought back, good for you... but you got lucky.
     
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    A) He didn't get anything.

    B) I didn't fight back. I talked him down.

    He was a drug addict, and stuck a sawed-off double barreled shotgun in my face, literally.
     
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    Someone smart would have rapidly figured out Cooper. That era produced a lot of guys who felt they had to create a persona. It was almost necessary. There's little doubt Chuck Taylor's resume is significantly embellished, but I often considered him and Clint Smith to be Cooper 2.0, the next evolution. Much but not all of Taylor's stuff you could take to the bank. Smith was the best instructor I ever had, though he was a Cooperite.
    The gun world is full of characters of somewhat questionable repute. Todd Woodard, the editor of Gun Tests is a bloated Hippo whose gun rag reviews may be fiction. Piazza really runs a gun school time share for beginners and is actually expanding operations. Michael Bane is guy who rubs me the wrong way, though he's quite honest about his qualifications. He's really more of a media guy who's good at it. He does, however put out a little bad ass attitude. I met him once and my first thought was no way.
     

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