There goes Florida's economy

What state, and when, and from what? And how do you know they weren't?

 

150 k people out of work won't help nor will the inflationary pressures.

 

You can't make people rich or even middle class who insist on being poor.

 

MA. In 2008 we were at $8 and in 2020 we are at $12.75 and set to increase to $13.50 in 2021.
https://www.businessforafairminimum...iness-owners-support-ma-minimum-wage-increase
There has been no influx of small businesses going out of business due to increase in min wage. I live in a very small rural town and not one small business has been crippled by the min wage increase.

 

That number is over six years. The bottom line is no one has shown that the FL economy will tank as a result of an increase to min wage

 

Yeah meanwhile California with a 15 doll minimum wage has the highest homeless population in the nation and everyone, except the silicon valley dingbats and the Hollywood dolts, with the where withal to do so is leaving.

 

And you have proof it's attributed to the $15 min wage?

 

Good point. In CA, the gap between the rich and poor is huge.

 

Everyone is paid what their time is worth. (Unless you are a government employee) Fighting does not make you more valuable. Being hard to replace does.

 

This is in California. Republicans have no voice here and we lead the nation in poverty and income gap. He was not underpaid; his pay was what he agreed to when he accepted the position. As the government steps in to "help" low wage workers, they end up causing more harm than good. The tax man gets a raise and society is no better off. Results speak for themselves.

 

I voted against it but reluctantly, I would have been fine if they phased it in to say $12.50, but as a business owner that works with a lot of business owners, this will encourage those that make those decisions to reduce services and/or eliminate positions with technology, for example, I suspect that bag boys at Publix will be a thing of the past in a couple yrs, which sux, I like having baggers.

 

Unfortunately very few people are paid what they’re worth. Fighting to be paid what you’re worth is legitimate.

 

They are paid what their time is worth. Im not sure what you mean by fighting for more money. If your chosen profession puts you in a position where you can easily be replaced, there is no fight. If you are hard to replace, you don't have to fight for more money. If you are defending politicians raising minimum wage, it has been $15. in L.A. and results are already showing that workers are no better off. The tax man gets a raise, that's all.

 

Then why was he whining about his pay, obviously he disagreed with you

the real problem is excessive foreign outsourcing and excessive foreign imports

greedy Corporatism is destroying this country

 

Under capitalism, very few people are paid what they’re worth. Otherwise profits wouldn’t be a thing.
People can absolutely fight for higher wages, even in highly replaceable fields. That’s what labor organizing and strikes are for. Among other things of course.
Raising the minimum wage absolutely helps workers. It should probably be higher if it were keeping up with the cost of living.

 

He did not whine; he got a better job with higher pay and no bodily fluid contact. Its his life. You don't think raising min wage will result in even more outsourcing?

 

Minimum wage jobs are not profitable for Unions, so in general, they avoid them.

Minimum wage is not a place intended for people to remain, it is a place to start learning and improving one's saleable skills so that they are worth more in the job market.

Call it the Employment Pyramid if you like, but the larger the pool to pull from, the lower the dollar value. To move up to the next level, one has to improve their skill set, and their demand (worth) will go up.

One can be paid what the market says their worth. One rarely down grades their worth, but will frequently over value it. The market sets the true value.

 

The minimum wage was created to ensure that all people working a 40 hour week can provide for their families. We’ve lost sight of that and it has fallen woefully behind the cost of living. The minimum wage was not meant just so kids and teens could have some extra bucks in their pocket. It was supposed to provide people a dignified existence.

 

Well, according to Republicans, making businesses pay taxes and not allowing them to **** over their workers drives them to outsource, But these businesses outsource at the same rate under Republicans, who cut their taxes and push for heavy deregulation.

Part time at $15 per hour still pays more full time at $7.25.

 

Florida's current MW is $8 fifty something. Have any proof of the red?

 

Outsourcing is just as bad under Trump, with a corporate tax that is less than most people's individual income taxes (a 20% tax, coupled with numerous loopholes....you know the loopholes that Trump lied and said he was going to get repealed by the end of his first year in office.)

It was this way under Bush too. Bush gave huge corporate tax cuts, but it didn't stop any of the companies who were outsourcing. In fact, GM and Apple sent MORE jobs to China under Bush, not less.

 

100% of workers in the private sector are paid exactly what their time is worth. (Human worth is priceless). I can certainly see the value of collective bargaining and insisting on a safe work environment, but there are many downsides as well.

The case you have not been able to make is how raising min wage "helps" workers. They still have to buy their needs from businesses paying their own employees more. That cost is always passed on to the consumer. In many cases, the job gets outsourced or the employee gets replaced with technology.

 

Suffice it to say it hadn't helped as it was supposed to. Ca. is the perfect storm of leftist do gooderism run amuck.

 

Do you have proof of your claim? Nah...course you don't.

 

I whole heartedly disagree with you on your first point, but I know that is an ideological difference so I won’t pursue it.

Prices would likely go up if minimum wage went up, but not to such a degree that minimum wage employees wouldn’t see a considerable improvement in their quality of life. Your assessment appears to require that the only people buying products from companies with minimum wage employees are themselves minimum wage employees. That’s of course not the case. People from all economic backgrounds shop at Walmart. That would mean that the cost to the business of raising wages would be spread across all of society, and it would come with the added benefit of more people being able to participate in more of our economy. That’s a good thing.

As far as outsourcing or automation goes; businesses are out to maximize profits. If it can be outsourced or automated it will be. A minimum wage hike isn’t going to affect that. Companies already higher the bare minimum number of employees they need to function. They’re not just handing out jobs to be nice.