There is a time to kill. Keep abortion legal.

So?

You say that like its men who crank out babies and women have nothing to do with it. But keep up your war on men.

 

That is not the point. The point is that murder, including abortion, predates societies. Society is neither the cause or the solution to murder.

 

No there's as usual no credible source to back up the asinine claim that more Democrats have abortions......gee, next you'll claim all Republican woman are virgins when they marry..


But you do show clearly the fact that those who claim to be against abortion are only that way until it affects them......

 

There is no "pro-abortion" camp so your emotional hyperbole doesn't work.


There are Pro-Choicers who believe WOMEN HAVE RIGHTS....and Anti-Choicers who believe women should be forced to do what ever Anti-Choicers want them to do.



A human fetus is HUMAN.

A fetus is NOT a person with rights. So it is OK to kill it.

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"""""""It seems they are devaluing human life in order to achieve some greater good""""""""




YUP! EXACTLY like when a country goes to war.....

 

So devaluing life is wrong? Is it always wrong or just in situations of abortion? Are there relative values when determining the devaluation? Is some devaluation better than other devaluation? Can I use the "devaluation of life" as a criticism of other non-abortion related policies? For example, does it devalue life to deny medical treatment to someone who needs it just because they cannot afford it? Does it devalue life to deny safe haven to refugees fleeing the same people we want our military to kill?

 

One of the root causes is people who think a spoonful of meiotic cells is any more than a justification for imposing their stultifying morality on everybody else. There is nothing inherently evil about sex.

 

Yes, individual rights definitely do over ride society. Individual rights are why we have society in the first place. Society is a construct, individual people exist. (and zygotes are not people)

 

UH, THAT is the PURPOSE of abortion !!! WTF! Did you think women got abortions for exercise !???

They do NOT want the responsibility of raising a kid! THAT is the POINT

You sound like you want irresponsible people having kids! Why? Do you hate kids???

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And I bet many women would take you up on that....now YOU convince doctors they should sterilize women even if they haven't produced yet.....

 

Some people act like the fetus that results from sex is evil.
Some even advocate killing it.

 

I have never heard of people saying a fetus is evil or acting like it is.... Where did you hear that?

 

Bad comparison, abortion isn't murder.

 

Even if abortion was illegal abortions would still take place..... They always have and they always will.......


So don't worry, the Constitution hasn't changed nor have humans....

 

Probably the same place that the other poster heard that pro life people think sex is inherently evil.

Anyway, isn't one of the arguments for abortion is that the fetus causes harm to the mother's body. And therefore if the fetus had rights it could be accused of violating the mother's body (or something along those lines).

Or, since it has no rights it is okay to kill it?

The fetus sure isn't viewed as an innocent human in those arguments. So what is it exactly, if not some evil little thing wreaking all that havoc?
I know you will say no one is calling a fetus evil. So what are you calling it? An inconvenience? What exactly do you call it to be able to make your arguments? A human with no rights?

 

"Probably" ? So no proof anyone has.

Yes, the presence of a fetus (pregnancy) does harm women's bodies. That doesn't make it "evil".

IF the fetus was deemed a "person" it would have rights and ALSO restrictions.

Persons are restricted from using other person's bodies to sustain their life.

Correct. A fetus is not a person so has no rights.

A fetus is neither "innocent" nor "evil".....those are just words used to inflame when one doesn't have facts.

There is no reason to.

I call a fetus a fetus. Yes, it IS an inconvenience to a woman who doesn't want to give birth.

Would you like to be forced to do everything as inconveniently as possible with your life?

A human fetus is human. It is not a born person with rights.

It is part of the woman it's in and only she has the right to decide if she does or doesn't want it born....as it should be.

 

I already know that your side think murder is OK. You don't need to tell me again.

That "spoonful of cells" is human life. Your hatred and contempt for human life is noted, though.

 

Exactly and once again the hypocrites earn their bumper sticker mantra...

Save the Fetus/Screw the Child

 

If the expectant womans life circumstances are so unbearable that she cannot birth her child in good conscience, perhaps Planned Parenthood should do the humane thing, and euthanize her.

 

"Misrepresenting" what others post does nothing for your credibility.

"my side" does not think murder is OK...and I have never said it is....so you know what that makes you.


Your inability to address the other poster's statement honestly also leaves doubt as to your credibility......


IF your "logic" was followed then EVERYONE has a hatred and contempt for life since every country on earth has gone to war and even killed in the name of gods....

 

So true!

The same people who oppose abortion also whine and scream about taxes paying for poor children............and how many "Pro-Lifers" have adopted children???

 

I have this silly story "Honest to God True"! gonna shorten as much as possible!

K here goes!

Long time Dog dies, wife has a grieving moment , we end up with two cats/kittens!

Couple months pass all fine till one day I wrestle "Recliner" couch "HEAVY" away from the wall and vacuum behind it and put it back!

One cat has a meltdown and become totally freaked out at EVERYTHING in the home, swats at shoes, socks on the floor, the remotes, it's food and refuses to walk past the sofa to get to its litter box so we must accommodate by moving it to him! Still not sure, but it seems by cleaning behind the sofa, which apparently must have been its "Safe Zone" it totally sent him off the deep end!

Wife get tough, moves litter box to last designated spot and carries the cat to and from events, NOT ME!

Cat decides wife wasn't reacting quick enough and leave a pile on the kitchen floor, wife has had enough! I'm authorized to do sanitation.

Wife decides cat has experienced "Stroke" and makes it perfect clear that no one is allowed to poop on the floor, I refrained from humorous reply!

Wife contact our vet and inquires about euthanasia explaining all the symptoms. The vet explained that it was against the law in this state to euthanize and animal without first examining it, OoooK, sounds reasonable

Until! She asked it's age! We told the vet that the cat/kitten was just six months old, the vet then told us that according to state law that in this case the animal couldn't be euthanized until it had reached one year old, I'm like WTF!

Thinking the wife didn't hear that crap right I called back, same same, cant be euthanized until one year old!

So I'm a little *Coughs* jacked now, so I tell the lady, SOO you can jerk a human fetus up to 18 weeks but by LAW we have to keep a cat/kitten for a damn year, dial tone!

Anyway, I can't cap a poor little cat so the wife accommodated and the cat is now going on four, still a little freaky in a entertaining way and one of the most lovable animals we have ever had, I mean really adorably lovable!

BTW, the wife won the litter box challenge! OH and we have a Dog now to, he's just a normal dog!

There maybe a moral to the story or maybe its irony but it kind of shows how weird priority and laws can get

 

No. Animals are not the same as humans. (I know animal fanatics will disagree but it's true)

I disagree with vets, any animal that an owner wants put down should be put down.

But that's all off topic.


Persons have rights, even women. They have the right to do what they want with their bodies just like men.


Animals do NOT have rights, they have protection.

 

Which is why I refer to them as anti-choicers and will not dignify their hypocritical BS by calling them pro-anything positive. I wonder how they feel about fetuses, babies and children being exposed to toxic and polluted environments now that the swindler in The Oval Office is decimating the EPA.

 

Or how about those immigrant children whose parents are being deported? Parent deported, kids go on the tax payer's dime...without their parents.

HOW is that "Pro-LIFE" ?

No, it's only the fetus they care about because that is how they think they can control and punish women, their real goal ......

 

No I only proved what I think because I speak only for myself.

But don't blacks and Hispanics get abortions at a higher rate than whites? They also vote Democrat at higher rates than whites.

 

Blacks and Hispanics get more abortions because they vote Democrat ?!!!

They get more abortions because they WANT more abortions and , on average, are poorer than whites.


My post stands:

No there's as usual no credible source to back up the asinine claim that more Democrats have abortions......gee, next you'll claim all Republican woman are virgins when they marry..


But you do show clearly the fact that those who claim to be against abortion are only that way until it affects them......