There is no hope for Islam.

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Iddah is a period of waiting.. after the death of a spouse or divorce... its about Pregnancy.

You sure can pick up some real ignorant ideas.

65:4

And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.

65: 6

Lodge them [in a section] of where you dwell out of your means and do not harm them in order to oppress them. And if they should be pregnant, then spend on them until they give birth. And if they breastfeed for you, then give them their payment and confer among yourselves in the acceptable way; but if you are in discord, then there may breastfeed for the father another woman

http://quran.com/65/3-9

 

Response: Then according to your own logic, you are harrassing myself and others as well. I only respond to you after you respond to me. Sorry, but that's not harrassment. So you should refrain from the embarrassment of making the claim, because any reasonable person can see that the reason you are making the claim is to prevent yourself from constantly being utterly debunked. So since you can't refute a post, you complain to have the person you can't refute disciplined. That is actually flattering, because it's self-admission that you're losing the debate. It's not against forum rules to debunk your argument repeatedly. If you can not stomach having your argument utterly debunked and exposed, then don't debate.

 

"This is definitive proof that the Qur'an endorses pedophilia, the most abominable of all sexual crimes." (Wikipedia/WikiIslam) I'll go with that, along with 7 Million websites coming from "Koran advocates pedophilia"

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-...w.,cf.osb&fp=4c93637fadcbea61&biw=853&bih=498

 

Absolutely NOT.. are you reading impaired? There is NOT one word about prepubescent girls. You do know that women don't menstruate all the time.. Some are too old.. or going thru the change and some are pregnant.

Sheesh........

In Islam, iddah or iddat (Arabic: العدة‎; period of waiting) is the period a woman must observe after the death of her spouse or after a divorce, during which she may not marry another man.

The period, three months after a divorce and four months and ten days after the death of a spouse, is calculated on the number of menses that a woman has. Iddah was intended to ensure that the male parent of any offspring produced after the cessation of a nikah would be known.

WikiIslam is just like YOU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iddah

 

If you wish to make a complaint, you have that right and capability. State your reasons and go from there.

And you might want to revise your definition of "debate". Hammering somebody with the same stuff over and over is beyond debating.

 

HA HA. I just knew that INVALIDATION slam was coming right up. LOL.

Invalidation is hardwired into Islamapologists.

 

Response: Unlike you, I don't complain because someone does not concede to falsehood being put forth. So I don't have any complaint, especially as I easily dismantle your arguments. But of course, those on the losing end naturally have a complaint.

 

Oh please.. you don't debate.. You just parrot hate websites. You still don't know the meaning of Iddah.. and claim its about little girls.

 

You are so large a laughingstock, and your statements are so absurd, that even by just talking to you, I'm demeaning myself.

 

Find another source other than Wiki, and nowhere does it mention pedophilia anywhere.

 

You are speaking to whom I believe is a real Muslim. Are you mocking a real Muslim? Are you telling a real Muslim that you know more about their religion than they do?

In all of your posts it is painfully obvious that all you do is cherry pick portions of the Quran to suit your own agenda. You twist words to mean something completely different and you ignore those REAL Muslims who tell you otherwise.

If someone spends 50+ years reading through the Quran, simply to complain about it, there is something wrong.

 

Wiki has a long discussion entitled Pedophilia in the Qur'an. Here's the link :

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur'an

I've already posted this link + excerpts from it. See posts 153, 154, 160.

 

No, I'm saying that he's is well aware of all that I am aware of. The reason we aren't in agreement is because he is an Islamist, and thus he is doing what all Islamists do all the time > LYING.

I CHALLENGE YOU - and this time don't run away, like you did when I asked about your level of knowledge to make judgements.
You say all I do is cherry pick , and then twist words. That is an offensive remark which I will report. You're attacking my honesty and integrity, and I'm not going to let you get away with it. You have no basis to make such a preposterous statement.

Many times I've posted Sura 4:34. And I have not twisted anything. Here is that sura :

"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them." - Quran 4:34, "Women," Dawood, p. 83

I have even listed 5 translations of the Koran, all saying the words "beat them" or "scourge them" (whip them). I also listed a transliteration from Arabic. So I CHALLENGE YOU NOW to show how I, in any way, have twisted words to mean something completely different. You've already been reported. You may now speak in your own defense.

 

The word translated to say "beat them", idribuhanna, has many meanings. One of those meanings is to separate.

Since Muhammad SAW never beat his wives, and he is the perfect Muslim, the meaning of idribuhanna in this case could be closer to separate rather than beat.

سلام

 

challenge yourself and go to the nearest library.
one more thing; loose the "caps".

regards.

 

Oh, so are you also attacking my honesty, and saying that I have twisted the truth ? Then I challenge you too. And your answer is the same as what Makkede got in post # 164.

 

Stop Lying. Sura 4:34 says "beat them" and everyone knows it. You're not going to fool anybody. One of the translations says "scourge them" (whip them). That's even worse.

 

not honesty, because i don't know you personally;
but your knowledge, because i'm reading your posts.

 

You are either lying or ignorant.

Sura 33:49

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/33/49/default.htm

 

Tell me I did not just read that, coming from you of all people....

lmao

Salam

 

Who is "everybody" lol...

Okay, I say it simpler for you. The Quran was originally written in Arabic. The word used in verse 4:34, in Arabic, is idribuhanna. In Arabic, idribuhanna has many different meanings, on of which - which is also used in other places in the Quran - is to seperate or split up. Another is beat.

However, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) has said the best Muslim is one who treats his wife the best, and that we are not to slap our wife or abuse them in any way.

Now, read the verse. Before "beat them", it says to not sleep with them in the same bed. Then, idribuhanna is used.

Now, with Muhammad's (SAW) sayings and there being no other advocation in the Quran or anywhere in Islam to beat your wives, why would it be here?

Then read 4:35, which talks about getting a full divorce and also getting back together.

Also, in Islam, a woman can get a divorce whenever she feels, so if a man beats her even once she can leave him. Easily.

So again, does the translation of idribuhanna being "beat them" make sense when a woman can divorce him right after (which then ruins the attempted punishment)...

Now I am sure you will not be able to understand any of this, maybe because of your ignorance or lack of understanding a book which you've never read.... Oh wait, it might be both for you.

Salam

 

Response: Yet your consistency of being debunked repeatedly proves otherwise. The sad part is that every reasonable person on the forum sees it and recognizes it. But apparently, being utterly debunked is your forte.

 

Response: The verse clearly states that the beating is a last resort after all other forms of counseling has failed in correcting the wife's disobedience to Allah. The prophet addresss the beating in the sunnah and states that a man who beats his wife is not the best of men, and that the beating should be a done that leaves no scars or pain. Thus the hit is a light tap and not violent.

The prophet says:

"My last recommendation to you is that you should treat women well. Truly they are your helpmates, and you have no right over them beyond that - "except if they commit a manifest indecency" [ fahisha mubina ]. If they do, then refuse to share their beds and hit them "without indecent violence"[ fadribuhunna darban ghayra mubarrih ]. Then, if they desist, do not show them hostility any longer. Lo! you have a right over your women and they have a right over you. Your right over your women is that they not allow whom you hate to enter your bed nor your house. While their right over you is that you treat them excellently in their garb and provision.....Then he took the covenant from them and from us that they and we all heard and understood this from him, respectively, directly and indirectly, with his forefinger raised, and said: "O Allah! bear witness." (Saheeh Muslim, Book of Pilgrimage)"

Above we see that the Prophet clearly says that the hit is to be non-violent. Therefore, since the hit is neither violent, nor is it to leave any scars or pain, then it is a just form of discipline. This usuallly reduces a non-muslim's argument to saying that a light tap is still wrong because no one likes to be tapped, which is a failed argument. For it's a punishment. It's not supposed to be liked. The the verse of wife beating still demonstrates peace and justice in islam, as the beaing is a light tap after all other forms of counseling has failed to save the marriage, which leaves absolutely no pain or scars. Debunked as usual.