THere is something WRONG with the empathy, or lack, of right wingers.

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  1. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

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    If you look at whats going on, on college campuses right now, there wouldn't be any question who the nasty, intolerant violent people are. How about all the recent riots? BLM? Yes, more Democrats and Liberals. You seem confused.
     
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    You are making some strong assumptions that is nothing but pure poppycock. Americans are the MOST GENEROUS nation on earth. We supply food to the hungry of all nations, sacrifice our men and woman for the cause of justice, volunteer countless hours for charitable causes. I have no access to anyone's tax return but I am willing to bet that almost all Americans contribute to charities. Almost all churches support the food banks. The United Way collects millions from all people across this nation. I have seen many examples of people who have helped others for no other reason than they just felt like "pass it on" would be a good thing for the moment. Most of the conservative people I know give to St. Jude's or the Shriners. Locally we have a Children's hospital that is supported by the community. Every night on the news there is a story about some family being helped by the community.

    You wanted to bring up religion so why does it talk about the "Gates of Heven " they trying to keep someone out? I feel a responsibility to my family first and if I wish to give extra to others then it is my choice. I resent a government telling me who I should like and help support. I resent people like you who are so quick to paint with a broad brush as hateful. I am against abortion because I believe in the right to life but I have no objection to you liberals pumping all the money you want into Planned Parenthood but don't expect me to fund your genecide and murderous schemes. All the money the Democrats pour into elections they should donate to the people you are so concerned about if that would make them happy.
     
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    The US is NOT a nanny state, and I don't want it to become one. The Constitution does not say that you are ENTITLED to be taken care of by the government from the cradle to the grave. To Dems, it is all about entitlement. Tax and spend other people's money is their mantra. Do they want to give people freebies because they are so magnanimous? No, don't be stupid. They see potential voters who will keep them in control. And it is all about control to them. Look how crazy they are because they are not in power now.
    The goal for Republicans is to provide enough job opportunities so that people have an opportunity to be self sufficient and feel as though they can take care of their own families. To Democrats, it's let's keep them hooked on welfare and food stamps and then they are beholding to us. Dems use people, because as Jonathan Gruber said, "We rely on the stupidity of people." You can tell that by the Lib posters on here who look down their long noses at those who do not go to college. They are just fodder for the Libs power trip. They use scare tactics on their "intellectual underlings" to make them do what they want. But while the Libs keep using the same old tactics over and over, people have smartened up and are not so gullible any more. So really, who is actually smarter? Libs just keep losing and never learn any lessons from their huge mistakes. It is really humorous, isn't it?
     
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    How is your confusion, mine? Did I not say that everything the Republican Party did was for the benefit of the wealthiest at the detriment of everyone else? In case you did not know liberal is defined as "worthy of a free man". What free man thinks that it is a good idea to give powerful men and corporations even more power over one's life. I can not see how any liberal would accept conservative silliness without a fight.

    You may worship your bosses and your puppet masters, but I'm a little too independent to pin my hopes on scraps from those who intend to exploit me.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Listen to Mark Levin much?
     
  6. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    REpublicans, and even more Right wingers, make it all about waste fraud and abuse, soes they can cast stones. There is NO liberal that would not WORK WITH republicans to eliminate TRUE W F and abuse. That is NOT the right wing intention. They want to make IT
    ALL voluntary, so they can opt out, and leave it all to anyone but them. OR, they want to JUDGE the worthiness, thus making the ill and poor BEG, and heap praise, before help.
     
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    Actually I'm doing perfectly fine. Saving cash to buy more land, moving more cash into tax shelters (don't ask me to explain, accountant is doing it) and trying to add to my portfolio whenever possible. I'm going to retire a millionaire despite what anyone in DC does.
     
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    If you thought about your "assessment" for about .4 seconds it would fall apart when you attempting to rationalize the percentage of "right wingers" that are not wealthy, and the percentage of liberal leadership that are wealthy, powerful, and think that rich powerful people should rule.

    Have you noticed your insurance premiums going up since the implementation of the liberal "solution" to the problem? Have you noticed the dwindling number of providers willing to participate in the program? Have you noticed the dismal participation rate among the demographics that were intended to be exploited for revenue to fund the program? The progressive system isn't working. So while it seems to you like there are only two objectives, it just might be because you have no clue how systems function.

    Facts don't care about your feelings. There are limitations to all systems. Because of this there are some problems that simply do not have solutions. Any engineer will tell you that there is no such thing as perfection in engineering. There are always trade offs. Health care is an infinitely complex system. It's not something that can be perfected to eliminate all suffering, all inequality, all abuse, all inefficiency. For the system to function at all, you have to make choices that cause some people to suffer. That's not being mean. That's reality. Republicans are interested in a system that puts the responsibility for those choices into the hands of the people the choices affect. Progressives are interested in controlling all choices. I think the progressive ideal is far more mean if you ask me.

    Idealism is by definition a fiction. Progressive economics, social programs, attempts to engineer equality, they all exist in a vision of the world that does not exist in practice. It only exists in the mind. It's a model of the world that functions ideally. It cannot be put into practice because it doesn't allow for people who choose to live differently than the architect of the ideal wants them to live. It attempts to command people to value things they do not. It attempts to engineer an artificial equality among variables that are inherently unequal. It is a lie that is doomed by its own fallacies & is destroyed by members of society who refuse to participate in that lie.
     
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    Or much of any of the rest of reality.either. The near constant anger prevalent in most of the left is, in fact, little more than an impassioned and wholly unreasoned response to a reality that refuses to allow them to shape it as they think it ought to be. Even were we conservatives not here to say them nay the very nature of reality itself would cause them to fail utterly. You see I am quite clear in my own mind that we must in the end win, not because we are better or smarter or stronger but because we occupy God's and nature's and realities default setting.
     
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    I know what you mean. Many of my friends in the trades lost their careers when illegal aliens were allowed to obtain the jobs they were doing, and would do them for over half as much. The is why I detest Chamber of Commerce republicans as much as I despise leftists. Both sides try to manipulate the free market for their own gains, Repubs for the $ and leftists for the votes and power.

    Yet leftists want to continue to allow illegal aliens in our country; doesn't that bother you just a bit that you agree with these people?
     
  11. Medieval Man

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    Not a libertarian Disneyland; simply a less intrusive central government as we've had for the majority of our history.

    Or do you believe we require such a government?
     
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    But that is their choice then, isn't it?

    They could emigrate from the US and immigrate to another country to work, so why don't they? Plenty of jobs are available in sub-Saharan Africa and Central Asia.

    I mean people in foreign States immigrate to the US for better opportunities, so why can't the slackers do the same?

    Do the slackers think they are special? Because they're not.
     
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    Health care is regarded as a human right in modern first world countries.

    There is no evidence to support you glib claim that conservatives are good at creating and maintaining functioning systems to any greater degree than anyone else is. You made that up based on nothing.
     
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    My uncle is on blood thinners. He still works. Why can't you.
     
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    See, you judge people glibly. Right winger thru and thru. AND< you feel ENTITLED to judge folks. AND, folks like you feel entitled to make your JUDGMENTS known, even if rude.

    One idiot said, IF I had a handi placard, and walked, he would call POLICE EVERY time. THAT IS the definition of rudely entitled.
     
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    There is ample material HERE,, to deem right wingers as lacking. BUT, you will notice I DONT say Republican, or Conservative. I think right winger is very fitting of my definition.
     
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    YEah, to the IGNORANT, Warfarin is OTC. NOT. You go AT LEAST once a month, to the doc,
    OR you don't get them. PERIOD. Take too many and you might as well have EBOLA.
     
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    Did this happen in the last eight years...under Obama? He made it that hard for you to get SSDI?
     
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    So many people saying these things to you. People that know you? Makes one say hmmmm...
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, ANY entitlement is fought tooth and nail, by Republicans, and to get it passed, they yell waste fraud and abuse, which then translates to NEW HOOPS. ALWAYS. Thus, there are myriad hoops, to climb thru, or you don't get it. AND, for instance, if you do not LIE, then you don't get food stamps. YOU MUST SAY you don't share meals, EVER. The realistic question is, then why are you still alive? AS you have no income.
     
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    How many everyone-has-to-take-care-of-me messages are you going to post?

    When will teaching self reliance as the core element of freedom going to be taught again?

    At 7.3 BILLION people and the population now doubling every 50 years, the "survival of the species" is not at risk.
     
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    If your medical problems require blood thinners that's not a disability.

    That explains why you had to fight an overly-liberal government organization for 8 years to qualify.

    Like I said, I know people with medical issues who continue to work despite them. My uncle is just one of them and he's been on blood thinners for 10+ years and works in manufacturing.

    If that's your only problem, there are plenty of jobs you could do.

    Do you want to work?
     
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    I live behind the ORANGE curtain. IT is right winger territory. My one sister is SOVEREIGN citizen light. The other had a husband FOR A WHILE, that made 300000 a year. That changes a person.
     
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    Did I claim that is my disability? YOU JUDGE. That is the reason why when you cant work, and fight for your disability, THAT YOU PAID INTO AS INSURANCE THE WHOLE @#$@#%$ing time you worked, If you are cut off from MEDICAIDE, which is EXACTLY what the Republicans INTEND, I would die. You twist my words.
     
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    That's why I said "if that's your only problem".

    Unless you're plugged into a machine and have no arms or legs, you can still work, and you know it.

    You don't hear Hawking whining.
     
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