This Is The Way It Is Supposed To Work

If you can't figure out my answer then you shouldn't be here.

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, don't know what you are talking about. The US has free healthcare for the poor. It's the people with the money that have to pay. And, in other countries you pay for it too. There is no country anywhere where you get free healthcare that you don't have to pay for one way or another.

 

This free healthcare cover mental health and rehabilitation? During and after?

 

How does that trump the right to life and the self evident truth that we are created with it as a inherent right, our HIGHEST right?

 

None of which are necessarily murder under the law. Learn the difference or else start calling abortion murder too.

 

Because it violates anothers right to their body.

 

If you cant answer a simple question that is asked of you, then neither should you.

 

I can fully agree on the no-contraception thing. The only people Ive ever known with that belief (and I'm not sure they wanted it) were there because of their religious teachings.
I do know that turning any issue like this into some kind of warfare fixes nothing but does a lot of damage. As for me- one value I hold virtually without reservation is that you don't get to dictate your values on someone else. Doesn't apply to all things, but to most. The person dealing with the consequences of their own decisions about their own lives- get to make those decisions.

 

Where the hell are you from?

 

I answered the question. Please go back and reread and you will be

Well, actually, society does dictate values on others. They are called laws. Let's take murder. Society dictates you can't murder others unless it is self defense. So, we don't just let murderers run around free and they have to just live with their decision to have murdered someone. We arrest them and jail them.

 

I'm speaking to decisions you make for yourself- where you suffer the consequences of your own decisions. That does not include deciding to harm or force others. Personal choices where the consequences fall primarily on yourself. Once I start thinking I can make choices where the consequences of my decisions will fall on you and think you have no say- we have tyranny. Most laws for others dictate what they cannot do, not what they can. And the purpose is specifically to protect others you have no right to interfere with. Pays to keep the fundamental view here simple; the issues in order. That's the way I see it.

 

It doesn't kill the mother's body.

How does that trump the right to life and the self evident truth that we are created with it as a inherent right, our HIGHEST right? Where does the Constitution or our founding document say the except if the mother wants to kill the baby?

 

The left are always speaking up for the injustices that happen to others. The right want to speak up for the injustices perpetrated on unwanted fetuses. Which makes one any different than the other? Why is it the left are allowed to advocate for those who can't speak for themselves loudly enough but the right can't do the very same?

 

Neither is standing on train track a guarantee you'll be hit by a train, but it's the only place you can stand where it's possible.

Now try again .. do people who deliberately walk onto a train track do so because they're okay with the risk? Or do you think they don't know about trains?

 

I didn't say it was. I said the declaration that women cannot be expected to be responsible for their own bodies, is misogynistic. However since this is exactly what many pro-abortion folk will claim, it's definitely related.

And yes, when you claim that women can't be expected to make responsible choices for and about their own bodies, you are a misogynist. You're an even worse one if you actually think men should play a part in those choices. Male mammals have zero control of the mating game, and thus no rights to or responsibility for, anything which happens within that context.

 

This thread is proof that ignorance reigns supreme amongst those who claim to be pro-life. There's no debate to be had with those who dig their heels into the quicksand of stupidity.

 

Neither.

 

The people actually saying women are perfectly capable of taking full responsibility for their own bodies?

No Dude, you have it bass ackwards. THINK.

 

Pro-lifers don't think that.

 

How do YOU think women end up in a gestational state, if they've not been raped or forcibly impregnated?

 

Yes they do. They're the very people saying women have full and free choice, and full responsibility.

It's you guys who think women can't be expected to have that kind of choice and responsibility.

 

Is she healthy, and in the context of a stable and financially secure marriage?

Meantime, if you're not in the above context (and therefore perfectly able to raise a child), then you don't take chances with contraception in the first place. You do whatever it takes to reach 100% efficacy. Pill plus condom. Sterilisation. Abstaining during fertile days (and for the record, women are only fertile for 500 days in their entire lives), etc etc. Many ways to skin that cat.

 

So explain how denying women the option to choose abortion is giving women full and free choice.

 

No it isn't. It's a neonatal death.

 

Do you agree that she made a full and free choice to expose herself to the potential pregnancy?

Or will you again assert that she couldn't be expected to know she might conceive, and thus isn't an informed or responsible participant in her own body's activities?