Tired of hearing members of Congress whine about how scared they were on Jan. 6th.

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  1. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read Trump's Ellipse speech, on January 6th. and his tweets.

    In the speech, he claims he has decided that there was election fraud. That's simply not his call. There are recourses for those claims through state and federal courts. Then, he claims that when fraud is proven, it changes the rules. What rules? He isn't referring to "rules." He is referring to "law." It doesn't. The only branches which change the rules are the Judiciary (in determining a law is unconstitutional) or Congress (by repealing a law or modifying it). Again, not his call. Then, he tells the crowd that Pence must change the rules/law - i.e. break the law, but that he m ay be wavering and therefore, the crowd, which he claims he will lead, must march on the Capitol, to support Pence, whom he has asked to break the law. But, the speech ends AFTER the joint session has already begun. How can the crowd have any legal influence on Pence or the Congressional representatives in the joint session? ONLY through disruption of the process. How may they legally disrupt the joint session, now engaged in carrying out the Constitution and U.S. law? By remaining outside and screaming? They've already done that without effect...the joint session is continuing. By attending the session and shouting from the galleries? Can't do that because the Capitol is closed to all visitors. The only way, which any reasonable person could conclude, is to break into the Capitol itself. That's the second rule/law Trump is asking to be broken...this time, not Pence, but the crowd. The crowd breaks in (breaking the law) in order to convince Pence he should break a second law. As the break-in occurs, Trump tweets to the crowd: "Mike didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth." This further incites the people Trump can now see ransacking the Capitol. Fourteen minutes later, Trump tweets: "Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful." Two points: It's already too little, too late. And, he doesn't ask the rioters to leave the Capitol. Why not? What he does do is call a Senator, now barricaded in the Capitol to do what he can to "slow the process." The "process" is to complete the Electoral Count. Thus asking them to break the law as well.
    It's not until 4:17 PM that he releases a video telling the rioters that he loves them, and that they should go home, while repeating his false claims regarding a stolen election. At this, the rioters begin to leave as more law enforcement people arrive. At 6:01 PM, he tweets: These are the things and events that happen [What's he referring to? The riot? The deaths? The injuries? The breaking of laws he demanded?] when a scared landslide election victory [Biden won by 7 million votes...there was no Trump landslide.] is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long [Who are these people? The rioters?] Go home with love and in pace. Remember this day forever." [What does that mean? That he sanctioned the riot? Maybe...because he never said he disproved of it.
     
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    I think the American people would have rather heard the stories of the people whose lives were negatively impacted by the BLM and Antifa riots that went on for months.

    This was one day, and these congressmen and congresswomen have been bitching and moaning about it for weeks.

    Here's the thing. None of them were hurt. None of them were killed. The building was not burned down.

    Now compare that to this:





    BLM and Antifa terrorized, harmed, injured, and killed people. But those people happened to be common people. And their voices have not been heard.

    The people whose lives were destroyed by the BLM and Antifa riots should be voicing their frustrations, not a bunch of overpaid, overprivileged congressman and congresswomen who do nothing for this country, and get paid for it.
     
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  3. Dayton3

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    They had several hundred armed and trained police officers to protect them.

    You lose.
     
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    He ADVOCATED for the violent overthrow of the duly RLECTED government.!!!! That is a CRIME.
     
  5. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. But not treason.
     
  6. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Trump won election to the presidency in 2016. Thus he was worthy to be called president. His repulsive personal behavior doesn't change that.
     
  7. Dayton3

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    Not treason though.
     
  8. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Enough for Insurrection or Sedition...10 to 20 years, plus a fine.
     
  9. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Then why not simply call it that and stop saying "treason"?
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not me...must have been someone else. Although, it's possible if they reopen the Mueller investigation. The next time he'd be without the DoJ policy about not indicting a sitting President, plus he wouldn't have the power of pardon. Admittedly, a long shot, but not impossible. On this one...Insurrection or sedition.
     
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    And they build "The Wall" around themselves, but not their own country.
     
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    ~ When Trump was hauled off the podium and hidden away by Secret Service to protect him from a gunman near the White House the loony leftists and media made a joke about it. Trump brushed it off.
    We have a lot of sissy-pants on Capitol Hill that have become celebrities - not public servants. They need a pay cut and public transportation. Pay the entire bunch on performance merit commission only.
    There needs to be regularly scheduled open house at the Capitol. If Congress actually faced constituents on a regular basis instead of only at election time it would likely improve their motivation.
     
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    Your intentional ignorance comes as no surprise.

    Google will help you overcome that obstacle.
     
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    It really doesn't matter if they were scared or not. The only issue is whether Trump ordered them to attack the capitol and so far the evidence is wanting
     
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    And a snarky one at that.
     
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    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    Isn't this just rich that someone using the evil driven moniker of 'Lucifer' (who obviously supports the anti Christian agenda of the Left) has the audacity to call our greatest American Christian president (Trump) unworthy of his role as the greatest potus, and one that is not human or not even a man. You have the nerve to call Trump's followers cultish. If ever there was a cult representing evil and anti American, and anti human it would be any and all cult followers of Lucifer, and might I say of anyone supporting the anti American/anti Christian socialist agenda of the left.
     
  18. RickJay

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    As I figured, you have nothing other than school yard insults.
    Typical.
     
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  19. RickJay

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    By 'wanting' you mean BLARING, right?
     
  20. Collateral Damage

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    So you have no substantive response.

    You have yourself a lovely day.
     
  21. RickJay

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    No you do not have anything substantive, not that I've seen anyway.
    You as well.
     

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