To avoid the civil war, let's divide France

Envy.

 

Savages.

 

oh bullcrap. The French were made Christians by the sword.

Nope. The French bought food form the Algerians and did no pay their bills.

Pff.. The french killed 15% of the Algerian population just post WWII, and they refuse to admit that randomly killing civilians by the 1000's is genocide. With that kind of total denial you end up claiming Muslims did it worse... when it obviously is not.

Do note. France honors those genocidal war criminals. And that is the culture their muslims integrate in.

 

No recognized sharia law abiding nation that follows the teachings of Mohammed to the letter does that.
You loose.

The story is fake, and part of anti-Islam haters doctrine.
https://discover-the-truth.com/2015/04/03/the-false-story-of-ibn-sunayna/
You're on stormfront website too often.

Neah. And it still is that Jews never marched with slogans that they are against the ethnic cleansing of Israel, where Muslims do that by the 100.000's all over the globe while their sharia law abiding nations are at the frontline fighting ISIS.

 

You're likely correct. When Muslims see how much further ahead Jews and Christians are than themselves there must be some sense that Mohammed and his garbled messages has let them down. Their intellectual contributions to the world are negligible and the only reason they are noticed at all is because of their tendency toward violence. It is a hate based religion.

 

Being Islamophobic means that you are inherently scared of a religion. A religion that is followed by roughly one billion humans on this planet.

I never claimed to be an Islamophile and I do not think that having a healthy respect for the beliefs of such a large number of people or an appreciation of some of the values and traditions associated with such a religion, a religion that also considers my prophet (Jesus) to be a prophet within their own religion, makes me into an Islamophile.

 

Scared of a religion? Well perhaps a lot of people are, and with good reason. Women and Gays certainly have a great deal to fear from Islam, as well as anyone who tries to leave, or turn to another religion. Criticize Islam, like the staff at Charlie Hebdo, and you could wind up dead. So you make a valid point here, though perhaps unwittingly.

What aspects of Islam do you have this 'healthy respect' for? You feel that because there are over a billion believers that it has been well thought out and makes a lot of sense, that Muslims are believers because they applied logic, science and rationality and all came to the same miraculous conclusion that Mohammed, a backward desert dweller, had all the answers? No, these people have been brainwashed since birth and suffer from ignorance and violence throughout their lives, never knowing much about the world they were born into, and will die more ignorant than the day they were born.

If you were a true follower of Jesus you would condemn the goings on within Islam and the cruelty this religion inflicts on those within this hateful belief system as well as those who are threatened by it.

 

I have nothing against muslims who live in foreign countries as long as they are not hostile to America

 

When you read the islamic scriptures, you have all reason to be scared. When people have as a prophet a man commited genocide, tortured a man (Kinana) for his money... Furthermore, you should know that for muslims, christian and jews go to hell.

Quran 5 : 51 :
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

Quran 8:2
The believers are only those who, when Allah is mentioned, their hearts become fearful, and when His verses are recited to them, it increases them in faith; and upon their Lord they rely -

What's the signification of faith and god for muslims ? Love ? No. Confidence ? No. Fear. Terror is the base of this religion because it's a religion based on fear.

Quran 8:17
And you did not kill [those unbelievers], but it was Allah who killed them. And you threw not, [O Muhammad], when you threw, but it was Allah who threw that He might test the believers with a good test. Indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

Muslims don't have to feel bad if they kill people, because everytime they kill a non muslim it's Allah who killed them.

Quran 9 : 73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

Quran 9 : 111 :
Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

So what we learn about muslim believers ? They kill and they are killed

A part of the population yes, but a large population of the Gaul were already christian. France knew among the first christian martyr as Blandine of Lyon. The Frank who are one of the other ancestor of french people converted around 600 through evangelization.

One of the motive yes, but algerian slavers was another part.

What ? It's slaughter, not genocide. French slaughtered algerian, yes. Algerian raided southern France and mediterranean island for jhundred years.

And did the same thing in Indochina, however people from former indochina integrate well. If they're not happy, they can go back to their homeland.
Anyway, muslims don't even care, no bombing ever aimed a former responsible of french algeria. No muslim prefer to kill children (slaughter at the school of Toulouse), or teenagers (slaughter at the Eagle of death metal concert, Saint Charles train station). If muslim really cared of that, they would aim responsible, but muslims prefer to harass women and kill children.

Lol. First, slavery is still an unofficial thing in many islamic countries. Secundo, it mean that even muslim consider your own prophet digusting. Tertio, if you would dare bring back slavery to imitate your prophet, you totally know you would end as radioactive ashes.

This story wasn't invented and kept by non muslims. Muslims kept that hadith for CENTURIES. And then you complain that we quote it ? We just need to open your islamic scriptures to find plenty of horrors. Non muslims don't even need to quote non muslim sources, they just have to quote your own sources, your own scriptures to be able to mock you.

You want SAHIH hadith. I will give you some :
"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us”

Furthermore, your website have many false arguments :
It's against Muhammed personnality ? Not really. Muhammed was a genocider, a torturer and a pedophile.
It countersay the quran ? What we do when the quran seems to countersay itself ? We consult the surate who was revealed the last, and we can consult the Surate 9, the second to last revealed. What says surate 9 ?
"Fight until all religion is to Allah and they forbid what Allah forbid" (I quote this one of memory).

I don't care of Israel. Muslims killed 3 million hindus in the 70, and 80 millions hindus between the 15th century and 19th century, they're ill placed to complain about slaughters.

 

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And it shows where the blame lies. Treat people as second class and deny them good housing, decent education and employment opportunites this is what you get.

 

I condemn the evil individuals who interpret Islam into a very extreme and violent force and those who use Islam to push their violent political agendas.

But I am not going to condemn a billion, overwhelmingly peaceful, people based on the actions of a few.

 

Nobody forced them to move to "infidel countries", right? They could stay in their Muslim countries and be middle class instead of going to the West to clean toilets and sweep floors.
Plus, Muslims themselves build a wall between them and the accepting culture by refusing to integrate and loose their barbaric ways.

 

You seem too be getting Islam confused with people. The reason individuals interpret Islam as "a very extreme and violent force" is because, in the Koran, it truly is a very extreme and violent force and containing a violent political agenda. You should be as familiar with the international headlines as anyone else.

These billion+ people are victims of Islam and because they were indoctrinated at a very early age with Islam being forced on them for the rest of their lives. It quickly becomes who they are and robs of them an identity they may otherwise explore and replaces it with a system from which it is very difficult to escape. Ask those few people who have survived trying to escape, and who still live under threats of death.

We know that 'not all Muslims are terrorists' but they are not terrorists because of any discouragement from the Koran. They are not terrorists because, at least in my beliefs, most people in this world are inherently good and decent. Unless there is a mental condition they must be taught not to be good and Islam, with its violent and hate-filled underpinnings, can do that.

 

Who is denying anyone "good housing, decent education and employment opportunities"?

 

@Montegriffo

Good housing ? In France, their is a system called the APL who help people getting a decent housing. It's a subsidie. For instance, as a crippled personn in France, I got around 280 euros of APL, I pay so finally only around 135 euros of housing instead around 400. The housing muslims (or any poor people get) is far from bad, it's called HLM. All of them were build in the 70's and kept in a good condition. I have friends who lived here. And some are even in the center of town. I know two people who live in a HLM in the chic country of the city with a view on the sea.
This subsidie is even gave to non french people.
Decent education ? 90 % of education is free, from the 3 YO children to the PH.D. You can become so a doctor, an engineer, a lawyer. All of that is paid by the french state.
Employment opportunities ? Yes, that's the big weakness of France but it's hard for ANY people. And you know what ? Even if you're 40, the state is willing to pay you a formation so you can find a new job.

As someone crippled, I know what poverty is. As someone handicaped (without the APL), I got around 800 euros which is not the fewest you can have, but still few enough to being considered poor.
Can I complain ? I had to stop my studies because of my health problem, I have no debt because I studied in the public system. I don't have to ask food to charity, neither I have to ask for clothes or anything. I can write to you from that computer, which means I could spare some money and finally buy one.

Yes, they're is problems in France but if one country embodied the concept of wellfare state, it's France. They're is few countries who are as generous than France to the poor people. I can never be gratefull enough to my country for everything they gave to me and the protection they gave to me. I own them my life because if I wasn't helped with my handicap, I would be dead.

 

No doubt you ripped this all out of context. I proved that your last quotes were even blatantly made up.

Right. A part of the population was made Christian the violent way by the Romans. A part got tortured to death because they were Christians, by the Romans. And here you rant that Muslims were the first to wrong the French. That deffo was not the case.

So it is what I said... not paying the bills, so lets have a war. Thanks for agreeing against your will.

Oh, a slaughter of random civilians as long as they are Muslim Algerians, is a genocide since it fits the definition.
That is what the French did.

Source it please.

Muslims march against terrorism. Only muslims are at the front fighting terrorism.
Jews never did such a thing when Israel ethnic cleanses.
The bar has been set. And muslims are on the positive side.

Lets be frank. It's them alt-right wingers who demand they can keep their pro-slavery monuments in public spaces on massive pedestals, for all to see and for them to honor. And rather recently it was the Christian church who was full with pedophiles,.. globally. And that #metoo,... the people accused are all christian/jews.

I sourced it that it is.

“The essential question before us is : Can a person who is a Muslim choose a religion other than Islam ? The answer is yes, they can, because the Quran says, ‘Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion,’ (Quran 109:6) and, ‘Whosoever will, let him believe, and whosever will, let him disbelieve,’ (Quran18:29) and, ‘There is no compulsion in religion.

 

All previous generations of Europeans over a period of 1400 years seemed to believed this, but the generation born after WWII suddenly knew better, about everything. They say otherwise, and they're really smart (just ask them!), so what are we to believe?

 

Well, to be fair, it was never intended to work in the first place.

 

You proved nothing. What's your magic context ? Muhammed commit a genocide ? Oh, no, let's check the context, he probably had good reasons to do so. Muhammed torture a man for money ? Probably the context will turn that intolove.

What amount of drugs do you daily use ? I said that the muslims were the one who declared war to the french by invading us in 700. I don't pretend they were no violence in France before.

Not against my will. I do not support colonization. So yes, you can blame colonization, I don't care. I just say they're no reason we have remorse but the subsaharian people and vietnamese. North africa people were slaver, we were too, isn't that ironic ? Slaver getting divine justice from other slavers.

Yes. But you should happy, for you it's okay to kill all men of a people then sold their children and wives to other people. You should be happy the french were thousand times nicer than your prophet.

Ethnic statistics are forbidden in France. Let me hear if a Nguyen commit a bombing either in USA or France.

Yeah Shiah muslims the sunni muslims genocided. Many kurds renounce Islam and yezidis survivors testify that all muslims were collaboration with ISIS.

I don't care of Israel.

You support genocide and torture and you pretend to be on the positive side ? It's not because the face in front are bad guys your nice. Charlie Hebdo got thousands of death threats from muslim because they mocked Tariq Ramadan. A few dozen of muslims gathered in France against terrorism.

They're is no such thing as pro slavery monuments, they're is monument to confederate or people who were involved in slavery. Western countries have pro slavery monuments, and muslim countries practice slavery (Lybia, Syria, Pakistan). I prefer the "pro slavery" monument than the people who sold other people on a market.

*The catholic church and people who do that go in prison. Protestant didn't did that and Iraq will probably lower age of marriage. In western countries, pedophiles go in prison, in muslim countries they're praised because thei imitate the life of the prophet.

No you sourced that this hadith isn't trustworthy, but it's still part of a muslim story. Ibn Ishaq is an arab historian, not a german or american one.

Yeah, that's why muslim countries sentence to prison or death apostate.The 109 surate was a mecqian surate and was abrogated by the one revealed later. You want to know what quran tell you to do about unbelievers ? You read Surate 9 the second to last to be revealed.

What Quran says about subsiting verse :
And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know.

I have a question :
Why so many muslim countries understand so bad the quran ? Why they desire to kill apostates ?

 

Thank you very much for that, Votre Altesse. You're clearly an honorable person.

 

Your claim of "kill any Jew that falls into your power"... is fake
https://discover-the-truth.com/2015/04/03/the-false-story-of-ibn-sunayna/

You wrote "Who came first to kill us and enslave us?".
And you acknowledge it wasn't the Muslims.

You also claimed "Muslims walk around". Three guys wielding a poster aren't all muslim"
And I posted a picture you are rather far off on that too.

You also blamed Mohammed, the victim of Jewish aggression, that Jews got convicted for treason according to their Jewish laws.

At every turn... you rant the most hateful anti-muslim crap.
And you're just wrong.

yeah... a genocide as late as in the 1960's or something, and there is no remorse. Rather typical far right wing white nationalistic

French killed like 15% of the entire Algerian population between 1945 and the end of their colonization alone. I do believe the prophet was a lot better.

So you can't back up your claim. Typical.

So what. The bar has been set. And the Muslims are above it and the Jews way under it.

Oh petty personal attacks when you're proven wrong all the time.

There is.

Well know plenty of priests simply escaped their prison. Get real.

I sourced it's fake.

I quoted the lines of where it says so in the Quran. And you still find enough hate to claim differently.

 

No you proved that this hadith is makla. I didn't invented a hadith.

I was asking who initiated the war between french and muslims : muslils.

Yeah, a picture of 70 of people being liberals in USA.

Yes, because I consider that genocide is never justified, neither selling children in slavery. However Muhammed did that. Did those children bare the fault of their fathers ? Muhammed could have free them all, but he prefered to sell them.

I quote the quran, what can I could do better ?

I would rather speak of slaughter, even if doesn't change the reality but yes they were a lot of victims. Yes, I'm sorry for the people who lost their family and get people killed but it doesn't mean I would allow muslim to kill my family for that. I show scorn to the life of people who were slaughtered and yes I commit a fault doing so, but I hate so much when muslims pretend we should accept that they slaughter people in France because of that.
Far right wing white nationalist ? You didn't saw the face of my friends and my ex girlfriends. The thing you don't understood is that I don't hate arabs or black people or asian, but I hate an ideology, and I hate the one who are allying with ISIS.

Your prophet killed all the men of the banu qurayzan and sold their children into slavery. Adult men often represent more than 13 % of a population. Furthermore, if the french colonial authority commited many slaughter, for instance in Setif, other slaugther were commited by the muslims on other muslims (Slaughter of Meluza).[/quote]

I live there. And you can't find any vietnamese commiting bombing. Ethnic censing is forbidden in France.

Are the jews the one who enslaved the migrants in Lybia or the yezidis in Syria ?

Just facts, you support your prophet on the Banu Qurayzan and Kinana, so you support genocide. Facts are facts.

Yes, we usually call them "Mosque". What I was trying to say is that they commemorate more personnalities like Lee not slavery inself. You won't find statues of people enslaving other.

Source your claim.

No you sourced that it's maklah. Ibn Ishaq wrotte that and you can't change it.

And I quoted the lines explaining why most muslims don't care of those lines of the quran.
I face facts : ISIS and bombing have everything to do with the quran, the sira and the hadith. Muslim countries are with india the worst countries to be a woman, and it can be explained by the quran and the hadith, muslim countries are where religious minorities are the most ill treated, and it can be explained by the quran and the hadith.
You want us to accept your religion when everywhere in the world you created hell for women, gays and religious minorities. And we know that if muslims are a minority right now, they will persecute us as soon as they have the upper hand. Why ? Because it's written in the quran :
47/35 So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds.

So if muslims follow the quran, they're preparing a genocide of non muslims in Europe.

You can't cherry picking verses in the quran, the quran has a structure. Sometimes the verses of the quran countersay it each other. How muslim scholars found an issue ? By considering the verses who are revealed the latest as the quran may encourage it as I proved it.

Yes I hate islam, but I hate it because I red your texts. My repuslion of islam is born of the fact I understood it more, and the more I read about this religion, the more I hate it.

My hatred is not blind, it's based in the facts. From the two of us, who quote the most the quran ? I. I speak about the quran, you speak about jews because you can't countersay me really. I'm quoting your holy book and I reveal all the horrors in it.

So I repeat my question :
If the quran is so clear and the quran is good for religious freedom, why they're is so much religious persecution in muslim countries ?

 

@notme Furthermore, you never proved your claim for the 15% of algerian population killed. I got the number of 400 000 victims, which is too much and not all the responsibility of the french army (a big part yes), where do you got your numbers from ?

 

4. Religion is incompatible with secular French society. I blame religion.