Too Smart to stop thinking too Stupid to stop.

This post of yours alone I think is responsible for pushing those of us who AGNOSTIC further toward being ATHEISTS!!!

AS if this post of yours is any indication of what a person will become once that person believes in a GOD....then most of us on the fence would most likely JUMP!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Isn't funny when god botherers get hot under the collar trying to prove the impossible resort to insults and lies?

 

Yeah....I thought Christian's were supposed to be...Love they brother and neighbor?

His post is akin to.....your Agnostic?.....well....DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!!

Maybe his name is Urko?

AboveAlpha

 

There are many valid and sound arguments for the existence of God. Atheists reject every one of them. They require proof, yet they cannot decide what proof they require.

There are no valid and sound arguments to prove that God does not exist. There are only attempts to describe how the universe might work without God: Big Bang, abiogenesis, evolution, quantum physics, etc.

However, atheism can always be turned around. Where atheists see mechanistic determinism, theists see a mechanic. To a theist, quantum mechanics provides an argument for the existence of God similar to the intelligent design argument. You appear to be seeing God in a "GAIA principle". I would be interested to read your argument in a syllogism.

Though your argument may be valid and sound, it probably will not convince an atheist. Atheists can turn theism around for the same reason theists can turn atheism around. Where you see a mechanic, they see a mechanism. Hence, I do not believe you will find proof for the existence of God in quantum mechanics, but I believe there is still a way.

Science is improving. Theories are formulated, tested, and applied successfully, only to be disproven by new theories that are more successful. Hence, every scientific theory is only more or less truthful--it is never truth itself--and yet, science is still improving. Will it lead to the truth? Probably not, but the fact science is leading us towards the truth implies that Truth exists. For science, Truth is a necessary existent.

To me, God is a necessary existent. I see proof of God in all things. I see it in nature. I see it in time. I see it in metaphor. I see it in quantum physics. Atheists see it not. Why? I think it's because not only do atheists require proof for the existence of God; they require proof for the existence of a personal God.

I can only answer that to me, God is a necessary existent, but not necessarily personal. However, I can still make a distinction between things I can know and things I cannot know. One thing I know is that every creative act is personal. Therefore, it should follow inductively that a personal being is the creator.

 

OK....you state you see proof of a GOD in everything you see.

Please explain and detail to me what it is you see as PROOF in these three things.....an Apple....a Rock....the color Red.

AboveAlpha

 

Let's just take them all at once. Apples, rocks, and the color red. They're all created things, therefore, there must be a creator. Works for me.

Now it's your turn. what is this "GAIA PRINCIPLE" that follows from particle-wave duality that follows from multi-dimensions?

 

First of all you stated you see...PROOF...not conjecture.

And as far as a Gaia principle it would have to do with Quantum Indeterminacy and Quark transfer between and within Hadrons existing in multiple Divergent Universal States within a Multiverse.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh...and as far as my current feelings about how things are going....LINK....http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=319320&page=24

My post is near the bottom.

AboveAlpha

 

Your right! I do see proof, and I never said anything about conjecture, but so far I haven't seen it in Quantum Indeterminacy and Quark transfer between and within Hadrons existing in multiple Divergent Universal States within a Multiverse. Please explain.

 

Please explain this proof you see....and I will explain what you ask for.

AboveAlpha

 

What a miserable, ugly rant!
Have you ever heard of the Fruits of the Spirit?
Peace, love, joy, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
These are the hallmarks of someone truly indwelt by the Holy Spirit according to Paul in Galatians.
Why do you think you don't demonstrate any of these? Why have you been foresaken? Why has the Holy Spirit rejected you?

 

I would just use the intelligent design argument, which to me, is a valid and sound argument. Some disagree. They think it's an argument from ignorance fallacy. I would admit to being ignorant about how God created apples, rocks, and the color red.

Now, please explain.

 

Again...you have not provided proof.

But I will explain anyways.

Since Consciousness is determined by the complexity of long chain molecules in an even larger construct....and since this construct such as a Human is completely comprised of the same Quantum Particle/Wave Forms that everything else in the Universe is comprised off....as well as what is alive and conscious today could well not be tomorrow or in the past......this interconnectivity could describe that the Multiverse as a whole is in fact conscious upon various levels.

AboveAlpha

 

The proof is in the eye of the beholder, to use a tired cliche'. I believe I covered that in so many words in my first post here.

With respect to your explanation, I think I understand, and I find it interesting. It reminds me of hylozoic monism.

 

Guess Einstein didn't understand what it means to be a scientist, then, seeing he said he couldn't imagine anyone being one without it.

 

Please read my signature and learn something about the man.

 

Shouldn't one define what God is prior to dismissing the existence of same.

How are you defining God, strictly as interpreted by religion?

Scientifically God could be defined as a higher dimensional being.

You're making a broad assumption, and that is, that what we can observe is all there is to observe.

One more recent theory posed by Science, not religion, is that the Universe is a holographic projection of an underlying higher reality. What we observe therefore, is illusory in terms of it's viability as the whole of reality This is an hypothesis posed by Science, mind you.

http://discovermagazine.com/2011/jun/03-our-universe-may-be-a-giant-hologram#.Uogwr-J4lFo

 

Please do not take offense but Higher Dimensionality is what we as Humans and all other life in our Universal Reality are existing in now.

Our Divergent Universal State within our Universal Grouping within the Multiverse exists at a MINIMUM of 10 or 11 Dimensional States and may be more....as if this was not so Photons and Electrons could not exist as both Particle and Wave thus Frequency would not be possible.

I was for a time an Assistant Professor at a world renown Massachusetts based Higher Learning Institute and I am extremely well versed in Particle Physics, Quantum Mechanics, Dark Matter and Dark Energy as well as Quantum Indeterminacy.

Because of this I KNOW that a GOD in the way described in various religions is something that is not possible but that does not mean something else is not possible.

To explain this would take me an afternoon and evening unless you understand Higher Mathematics....and if you do tell me.

AboveAlpha

 

"Renown" is a noun

"Renowned" is an adjective

Can you quit bragging about how smart you are until after you learn that difference?

 

I have always been a terrible speller.....and I do not think presenting a good post is bragging.

AboveAlpha

 

I cannot give reason to accept a manmade "God", as much like yourself it makes no sense to me. There is no reason however, to dismiss the possibility of there being SOMETHING out there that cannot be readily defined. There are aspects of this universe that seem rather strange when we attempt a scientific, or even logical explanation.

I use this little mental game:

Our planetary system allows for our moon to be at a perfect distance from our planet to be the same size as our sun...allowing for eclipse and excellent conditions for life. Is it simple chance that this has occurred at the moment we have the ability to notice and understand it?
When we were evolving, the moon was significantly further from our planet and thus could not create an eclipse, and 10,000 yrs. from now will be closer which will also make it seem a different size than our sun.

One of the many things to ponder...and do not even get me started on Quantum Theory.

 

Lets see if you learn this time. It will be a sign.

Whether you've written a good post is for others to decide.

You will always detract from the value of your post when you use it as a platform for self- aggrandizement, the more so when all the talk of IQ and deep knowledge is only marginally relevant.

When we see poor spelling, word choice, grammar and style (the all caps bit is an unsophisticated and unattractive writing style, for example) the more it makes the claims of a high level of education and accomplishment look ridiculous.

You can take my word for it, or continue to look foolish, as you like.

 

Ponder how you got it backwards. Im pretty sure you got the rate of change way off, too.

 

....Yup....made you think though, didn't it.

 

Um.. wow. I just... wow.

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It did, but perhaps not what you intended for people to think.