Trump administration launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality

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  1. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    Since when does gay "lifestyle" concern you?

    If homophobes like you would mind their own business instead of sticking their noses into other people's lives, life would be much easier for everyone.

    Buy a Bible and go read the "tolerance" section....
     
  2. yguy

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    No, what I asked you is whether society has the right to legalize murder...
    ...and you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
     
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    Not under Republican government such as we enjoy in the US, but under majority rule, yes, before the Republicans defeated the Democrats in the Civil War and ratified the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments, majorities in Democrat States held entire races as slaves with no protection against rape, murder or violent attack.

    That's why we have a REPUBLICAN government rather than pure majority rule. In our system, our inherent human rights are secured even against a majority.
     
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    I use no drugs and wouldn't even if they were legal, and have voted several times for marijuana legalization. I would direct the legal system toward restitution of the victim rather than retribution by the State, and where you can find no victim to make restitution to, there would be no crime.

    There is no conflict between American Constitutional Libertarianism and securing the border. Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 of the Constitution grants to Congress, naturalization.

    Further, Libertarians don't hesitate to face facts. We live under a massive welfare system. Uncontrolled borders have resulted a massive drain off the welfare state at the expense of taxpayers. Open borders are just as statist as closed borders. The federal government has power over the border. Libertarians must choose the position that will best protect our liberty, and it isn’t to open the borders.
     
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    True. It's a close call, who was dumber, Obama or Dubya. It's nice to have an intelligent capable President again.

    T’S ALWAYS WRONG WHEN TRUMP DOES IT BECAUSE REASONS: Trump Is Continuing Obama’s Opposition to Other Countries’ Anti-Gay Laws. This, Somehow, Has LGBT Leaders Angry.

    The LGBT movement, actually has little to do with LGBT rights.
     
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    Obama was a part of that. He was a senator at that time, so he is one of his own predecessors.
     
  7. yguy

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    Don't kid yerself, pilgrim. No form of government is proof against the violation of individual rights...
    ...as you've just demonstrated by citing amendments necessitated by the impotence of a republican government formed in 1789 that looked the other way as the principles enunciated in the DoI were brazenly violated.
    Swell, but what makes America worth living in is distinctly more fundamental.
     
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    Our government is EXPRESSLY dedicated to securing our individual rights.
    They obtained our Independence by defeating the most powerful military on the face of the earth and gave us a system dedicated to the securing of individual rights. Ideally the 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th amendment would have been part of the original constitution, but, the system was put in place for later generations to secure those rights. And the task for us is to more perfectly secure inherent rights today against encroaching government. How can we extend more completely the individual rights of Americans today? Rather than sitting in judgement on our Framers, we should put our shoulders more deeply into the ongoing responsibility of ever greater securing of Freedom and Liberty for all Americans.
     
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    I give the nod to Obama, Dubya had a lot of other things to deal with, like 911, that Obama would have ever been able to handle. Obama actually went out of his way to create a crisis where none existed. Dubya had to fight battles that were handed to him. Obama is the dumbest pile of donkey crap we have ever had in office, by far.... IMO.
     
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    Yes, society has the ability and the right to legalize murder. I am not sure why this is confusing for you. Murder is defined as intentionally taking another persons life.

    Abortion, death penalty... throughout our history we have as a society legalized murder. Even shoot outs in the street were legalized in the old west. Are you denying these things exist?
     
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    True, but, Bush badly miscalculated on Iraq, really, he got nothing right and the number of Americans dismembered cannot be forgotten. You don't get do overs when it comes to declaring war.
     
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    For sure, he did. That is an excellent point.
     
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    Sounds like an excuse to import regime change in more countries we don't like.

    Of course, those we do like will be exempt.
     
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    Many on the Religious Right will not be happy with this effort.

     
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    You didn't understand a word I said.
    You have already made it plain you believe this *******ned lie, but the enunciation of America's founding principles in the DoI testifies to the contrary in no uncertain terms.
     
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    Apparently you missed the part about separation of church and state.
     
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    Not at all; but you obviously missed the part about the unalienable right to life.
     
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    Article 1 Section 8 also authorizes Congress to raise taxes yet Libertarians oppose those.
     
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    No. Not when such taxes are collected in order for Congress to fulfill it's specified Congressional Duties.

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
     
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    I understood every word, you stand refuted.
    Wouldn't be nice if you could express yourself in a manner free of vulgarities so foul that the auto censor renders your claim incomprehensible?

    Sad!
    These remain our founding principles and the glorious task forever before us, to more completely secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity. Certainly tyranny, by either the majority or by a minority of busybody masterplanners needs to diligently resisted by every Constitution loving American.

    We follow OUR dreams, not the dreams of government employees that think they are Lords and Nobles put on this earth to boss others around. We have no nobility. No one has an inherent right to rule us. We are rule ourselves.

    Understand this and you understand the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and the American People.
     
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    I note that it's effect will be on OTHER nations, not the US.

    Here in the US Trump works AGAINST LGBTQ.
     
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    to each there own i say! yep, i's conservative but not bat-sh*t conservative...
     
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    Im actually pro-life and anti-capital punishment.

    What I am not ok with, is anybody of any religion using government to push their religious beliefs on me.
     
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    agree with this, but i'm all for capital punishment (including public executions immediately after conviction) and pro choice...
     
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    Can you name one Republican leader who supports criminalizing homosexual behavior? Just one?

    I mean just while you are completely fabricating a position no one is taking in GOP leadership...



    I certainly don't have a problem with decriminalizing the act of homosexuality in any society.
     
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