Trump & America win again. USA/Canada/Mexico tease deal reached.

So... a **** deal to try and box China, didnt work. However everything is going Trumps way, and you sit here bitching. Try swallowing your pride and playing for the home team.

 

Going his way? Sure thing.

He puts some lipstick on the pig of a deal for america the original of which he dubbed one of the worst, most horrible trade deals ever and then claims he won some a massive victory and brand spanking new way better deal. Meanwhile the trumpettes lap it up refusing to see the facts versus his bullshit.

As for pride, I have an enormous amount for the way MY government played Trump and got nearly everything we wanted. Seems ignoring trump's bullying bullshit buffoonery and sticking to the meat of the matter is the way to handle trump. Everyone else is watching and learning.

 

Then we are all happy and Trump succeeds in his quest to rework NAFTA to the benefit of all involved.

 

Whatever you wanna tell yourself dude. Trudeau is facing huge backlash for caving to Trump, but you have convinced yourself he won? Beyond help. I'm not the doctor.

 

And this on another border state. Expect it's the same in Wisconsin.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...n-10-points-to-gop-challenger-in-north-dakota

It seems that the Democrat tactic of trashing the lives of good and decent people, and their families, is not catching on with the American public. Bravo to all those who oppose what the Democrats are trying to do to the country.

 

Don't know whether that will affect their traditional political agenda or not. Democrats will still accuse Republicans of being racist, homophobic, anti women etc and will not offer anything beyond that. A lot depends on whether Americans have moved beyond this tiresome rhetoric or whether transgender bathrooms and wedding cakes will remain the Leftists main election issues.

 

I dont know. You should ask someone privy to the details.

 

That's kinda like saying the 8k point jump of the market in the past two years is almost the same as the +100 point jump in Obama's last two years.

Almost... but not quite.

 

Please tell me you aren't serious, I really thought you were smarter than that. Why don't you read that again and try being analytical. Then tell me what you think of that bullshit. It's nothing but each side saying exactly what you'd expect.
The only salient part of that entire article was:

But others sounded notes of caution, saying that the deal does not lift the steel and aluminum tariffs they say are harming agricultural and manufacturing industries in their states.

Sen. Patrick J. Toomey (R-Pa.), a prominent pro-trade voice in Congress, cited concerns including weaker protections for U.S. investors and new quotas on auto imports.
“In the coming days, I will closely review the text of this proposal to see whether the proposed changes, on balance, enhance or weaken the enormous economic benefit we have derived from the original agreement,” Toomey said. “I also plan to work closely with my colleagues to explore how we may correct some of the agreement’s flaws through the required implementing legislation.”

 

What? No he isn't. Well, maybe from Quebec farmers, but they were going to complain about ANY relaxation of Dairy.

To most Canadians, we kept the stuff that meant the most to us. Resolution Chapter (word for word), kept our CanCon rights, only gave up an extra 2 years on bio pharma, an extra couple of decades on IP, increased how many cars we can ship to the US (and it specifics whole cars, meaning if we reach that cap we can keep shipping parts), forced a 16$US minimum wage on Mexico (which will increase US and Canadian production).

Literally the only part of this I don't like is allowing the US and Mexico to review any FTA we might want with other countries, but i'm sure there are ways around that as well.

All in all, I think this (on paper anyway, not politically) is more of a Win for us considering all the bluster and rhetoric prior.

 

Trump is an idiot. He never could even articulate what was wrong with the original NAFTA. He's nothing (and I mean NOTHING) but a circus barker who's good at pandering to the less than intelligent members of society.

 

No, that's a protectionist mentality.

Yes, we could easily manufacture all traded goods in the U.S......IF we were to spend billions refurbishing our facilities, and in most cases, not economically feasible.

We are very happy with our Canadian and American contractors, they are very automated, and they've been supplying us with quality products. We keep a low inventory, and our orders are delivered within 12 hrs.

Upon learning about Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs, here's the response from my CEO; **** you Trump!......and I was in his conference room when he said it.

We've been very patriotic, and we certainly not going to allow deplorables/once self-acclaimed free marketers run our business.

Over 35 years in the oil and gas industry, lived and worked in seven countries, and three States. If you want to debate my industry economics, you're gonna lose.

 

He is. And he couldn't.

That doesn't mean there weren't issues that needed updating since it was first hammered out in the 80s. I just wish that the spirit of updating this was more of a team building structure between our three countries then the threads/bluster/rhetoric/confrontational situation that Trump created.

Luckily it seems that it ended up being a relatively well crafted deal with both sides compromising in certain ways.

 

Really? I dont see you praising Trump for successfully doing what Obama claimed was impossible.....

 

Quote: All in all, I think this (on paper anyway, not politically) is more of a Win for us considering all the bluster and rhetoric prior.

My assessment; With Canada, overall, we gained a few crumbs.

 

Neither could his fans.

However, after trashing NAFTA 1.0, they'll celebrate NAFTA 2.0 as god's gift to mankind.

 

Yeah, he renamed NAFTA and added some stuff on intellectual property.

None of which required a year and a half of bullying and stupid games.

 

First of all one Ned's to know what it us that Obama said. Second proof that Trump actually did exactly what Obama said . Bottom line is how does this postvof your relate to what I was responding to?

 

reworked? how did the minor changes made to it transform it from the worst deal in history negotiated by lousy negotiators into such a great deal for everyone?

I'll wait for your breathless recounting of how much trump "won" in this deal and how it is just so much better than NAFTA 1.0.

Hyperbole and bullshit do not reality make, no matter how hard you close your eyes, tap your heels and wish you were in kansas again.

 

So true.

But, Fox News and Trump told them it was a good thing.

They believe that "1+1= 3" just because Fox and Trump tells them to.

So, why wouldn't they believe that NAFTA 2.0 is good?

That believe anything that Fox and Trump tells them to.

 

US MCA ...... Y MCA...... he did get a minor consession on US dairy products in the Canadian market but we do need more.

You are correct in that there was a show put on. There was attempted bullying of Canada. Most importantly the Mexicans are still not paying for the damned wall.

US MCA ..... Feinstein , sings , do you know the way to San Jose'.

 

hahahahahaah! Nope he ain't, he's taking the usual partisan flack and its lightweight at that. Everyone was surprisingly pleased with it, but the political opposition can't give kudos to the libs on this. Do you understand how partisan politics works?

Canada is a collective happy camper today. We stuck to our guns and got what we wanted in the face of trump's bullshit.

Not only are you not a doctor, you aren't much of a political analyst either.

 

As a proponent of free trade I'm glad there weren't big changes. The real problem was the unnecessary animosity and loss of trust. There's no quantifying how that may hurt all parties.

 

That depends on which media you follow. The bottom line is that all negotiators and their leaders seem pleased and the markets responded positively as well.