Meeting Putin in private was a request from Trump. Why? If Obama had done the same thing, in the same circumstances, conspiracy seekers of the same type as the Trumpists would no longer have a single hair on their head.
The expectation of most people is that Mueller will follow the facts and find the truth, no matter where that leads. If it leads to the President, so be it. If it clears the President, so be it. The objective of ALL patriots should be to find out what the Russians did, how they did it, and take all possible steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. That is not something that should depend on your politics. That is the defence of the American electoral process. If you don't support that you are not a patriot.
I agree with you statement. It's a shame some of the people involved with it don't agree with it. When do you think you can get the rest of those on the left to agree with it? Do you have any influence on the left's media ministry, they apparently haven't got this message.
I'm not on the left and I am not aware that any MSM news outlets are pushing the idea that Trump should be removed from office. There might be some editorials and pundits - maybe - but I haven't really seen any of that. The indictments show that Russia did interfere. So Mueller's enquiry is definitely NOT a witch hunt.
Well,if we had done what the Republicans wanted to do in the fall of 2008, we would be in breadlines now. The GOP wanted to do absolutely nothing, a formula that worked so well in 1930. Bush did what Wall Street wanted for eight years. He had that "deer in the headlights" look because they got their, and he wound up holding the bag. Trump just did exactly the same thing. Endorsing a reckless debt multiplying tax cut designed to produce big bonuses for hedge fund managers and CEO' while doing next to nothing for anyone else. That and a huge jump in borrowing, and a pattern of deregulation specifically intended to reopen the 2000's Wall Street casino. You can try your condescending act all day long. But the facts are clear from your own post. You attack Bush for being Wall Street's pet and then turn right around and praise Trump for taking nearly the exact same steps! This sort of total hypocracy is standard in Trumpster world. We see it on this and many other issues.
"The objective of ALL patriots should be to find out what the Russians did, how they did it, and take all possible steps to make sure it doesn't happen again." By that definition, neither Donald Trump nor the GOP Congressional leadership qualify as patriots.
I don't know what motivates your opinions, but the problem I have when reading them and responding to them is you constantly deny facts that are well established. The investigation is the direct result of claims the President and his staff colluded with Russia, to sink Hillary, and secure the White House. That is what the investigation is all about. All the indictments are coming from the fringes, involving people who knowingly, or unknowingly, breached established protocols, or were discovered to have been doing something illegal, unrelated to election or administration activities. The fact Russian have been indicted does not mean the President had anything to do with it. We'll have to wait and see if that connection is ever made. At this point in the game, it doesn't seem likely, otherwise, with mid-terms around the corner, the evidence would be presented. On a side note, one thing I notice missing from the entire episode is any comment about what the US does internationally to influence politics, etc.. Are we pointing a finger at Russia, while trying to ignore the three pointing back at us?
Have patience, it takes time to identify and correct the policies Obama and the NDP politicians put in place.
Close..... but best just to go with the wording in the order.... it takes all any bias out of the equation... I know you guys are big on bias these days... (i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation
LOL. http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-before-putin-meeting.537521/#post-1069355975 “President Obama thought that Crooked Hillary was going to win the election, so when he was informed by the FBI about Russian Meddling, he said it couldn’t happen, was no big deal, & did NOTHING about it. When I won it became a big deal and the Rigged Witch Hunt headed by Strzok!” --- Donald Trump “Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!” --- Donald Trump “The stories you heard about the 12 Russians yesterday took place during the Obama Administration, not the Trump Administration. Why didn’t they do something about it, especially when it was reported that President Obama was informed by the FBI in September, before the Election?” --- Donald Trump Read more here... https://nypost.com/2018/07/16/trump-attacks-obama-in-tweetstorm-hours-before-putin-meeting/ Do note what was the First Tweet that the Lame Street forgot about.....on purpose.
Oh? Provide proof for that statement please. More likely, the companies that went bankrupt would have changed ownership and management, then, the recession would have been OVER in about two years. But that would have meant that the Fed's lackeys would have been out in the cold... and the Fed would never allow that! Actually, Hoover did take some very positive action to avert the Great Depression, but by that point the momentum was too strong. Later, a LOT of what Frankie Roosevelt dreamed up proved to be economically ridiculous, illegal, and, unconstitutional. Finally, Frankie and Churchill hit on the idea of cutting off all oil to Japan to goad them into attacking the U. S. It worked! It was WORLD WAR II that got Frankie out of the Great Depression, Tommy -- not some series of wonderous liberal Democrat 'brain-farts'. No foolin'! Can't disagree here. Many of us have known for years that the Bush Machine was just as agenda-driven and corrupt as any other 'Machine' -- the Clinton Machine comes immediately to mind.... Where in my posts in this thread did I praise Trump's 'tax reform'? Like all other attempts at 'tax reform' this latest one left nearly all the tax shelters, tax loopholes, exemptions, exclusions, "carried interest", and other bullshit firmly in place. No, Tommy, I haven't praised Trump's 'tax reform'. You are welcome to disagree with me, but please don't put words in my mouth!
But you have to know the order authorizing the investigation broadened the scope to make it more legitimate. If you can't agree the investigation was demanded by the left, and was pushed by the left's media partners, based on their claims the President personally colluded with Russia, then it's difficult to find common ground to debate from.
Treasonous Mitch McConnell Refused To Oppose Russia Election Meddling For Trump https://www.politicususa.com/2016/1...ed-oppose-russia-election-meddling-trump.html
It was Trump that got rid of the Russian Software that BO peep and his Administration was using. That would mean the government, for all of the leftness and their uhm…..cough cough, smart powers.
LMAO.....More purposeful amnesia by the leftness, huh? Obama’s Cyber Chief: Susan Rice Gave ‘Stand Down’ … dailycaller.com/2018/06/20/susan-rice-stand-down-russian-meddling Jun 20, 2018 · Michael Daniel, whose official title was “cybersecurity coordinator,” confirmed the stand-down order during a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing held to review the Obama and President Donald Trump’s administrations’ policy response to Russian election interference. Susan Rice told White House cyber team to 'knock it off ... www.businessinsider.com/susan-rice-told-white-house-cyber-team-to... Former national security adviser Susan Rice. Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images Former President Barack Obama's cyber response team reportedly wanted to strike back hard at Russia when they first learned of its election meddling in the summer of 2016.
The problem is that Trump supporters take everything he tweets as a "well established" fact. Even if all of evidence actually establishes the exact opposite. That is not all the investigation is about. If Mueller finds other crimes while he is investigating the Russians, do you think it is in the interests of justice that those other felonies are just ignored? I don't say Trump had anything to do with it. But ultimately I don't care one way or the other. I want Mueller to find out exactly what happened and try to make sure it doesn't happen again. Unfortunately I think Trump does NOT want that. Possibly because he was involved, but also because he is quite happy to allow the Russians to interfere in American elections, as long as they are helping him. I think that is unpatriotic. It is anti-American. So if America does bad things that means the DOJ / FBI / Congress / Mueller should ignore what the Russians did? Wow. Just ... wow.
Clearly we don't, as I don't accept everything you say above.... Rosenstein did give Mueller more detailed marching orders, of which we've only seen the Manafort pieces... doesn't make it any more legitimate (or need to)... besides, you really can't get more broad than section 2 of what I posted from the original order. The investigation was opened by Comey and not demanded by the left. Rosenstein the Republican kept it going by appointing Mueller when Comey was fired. Yes, the "left" is pushing for the investigation to continue, as the "right" would kill it in 15 seconds given the chance. There has never been a solid claim that Trump PERSONALLY colluded with Russia... You are getting that directly from Mr. Witch Hunt... It's very possible, but if his campaign people (Stone, Manafort, Page, Flynn, Cohen et all) colluded with Russia, it's going to look just as bad and Trump will have to prove to the American people he knew nothing about those efforts (like Sgt Schultz)....
Not because they didn't want to appear partisan but because they wanted Trump to win...does that make any sense to you?
"All the indictments are coming from the fringes, involving people who knowingly, or unknowingly, breached established protocols, or were discovered to have been doing something illegal, unrelated to election or administration activities." This is very clearly not the case. Especially in the world of Donald Trump, where there is only one decision maker, and where the team is too amateurish and too chaotic to bother with political precautions like establishing plausible deniability. The reason Russians have been indicted is to provide legal entrée to looking into the activities of the Americans involved, and to search records. (although I have a suspicion that the Mueller investigation has had a team of forensic accountants pouring over various tax filings and obtainable financial records of various Trump entities for some time.) Contrary to your claim, an number of people indicted were very high up in the Trump campaign, so the suggestion that they were all small fries in the fringes and were small fries is simply not true at all.
