Trump and the Alt Right are frightened the next election will be decided by Americans

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    How many votes did the russians change?
     
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    They are mad with hatred.
     
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    cause I think politically him not being impeached is better for the democrats, I will be happy just with him losing in 2020, then they can charge him in 2021, no pardon's from his VP in 2021 like when Nixon was Pardoned by his republican VP
     
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    How many votes did they suppress by hacking the voter rolls?
     
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    actually that question is a trap. How many? who knows. one can only deduce from the precipitous plunge in the hillary brand over the last two weeks of the campaign and its strong correlation to big increases in russian activity. It simply didn't matter how many were changed in the end. My professional experience and expertise informs me that there were perhaps a few hundred thousand in the "undecided category" were swayed. It wasn't intended to change in decided voter's minds, merely reinforce their confirmation bias. Which many loudly proclaimed in bars and churchs and social gathering as well as their social media networks.

    Trumps election was not the principle objective of the disinformation assault. It was to increase political and social division, question the institutions of american democracy, from law enforcement to freedom of the press. It was to foster animus, hatred and fear across the board. it was to disrupt normal discourse and to demonize the other (regardless of side). In doing that there was a bias towards trump's campaign in messaging and a focus on smearing hillary and exacerbating her considerable baggage.

    It spectacularly overachieved. Imo, it will be a case study in history and military classes for centuries.

    So when asked how many votes did they change, its not the real argument. Its just their ignorance of how the russian attack worked and what its objectives were. ARe you surprised that trumpettes think its all about trump and the legitimacy of his presidency. The russians didn't get him elected, there was not collusion by anyone and oh yeah "this russian thing"is a hoax.

    Anyway now that the Defense Department has squashed any claim of russian hoax and basically renders the "dossier" conspiracy nonsense irrelevant to the issue. The people charged with protecting america from all enemies foreign or domestic believed the intell and have planned not only to defend against it, but also develop offensive tools to deploy in the new battlescape created by the russian weaponization of social media.
     
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    Photo ID is racist!
     
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    Pretty sure George Soros doesn't start paying his cyber trolls until six months before the elections.

    Wonder what Face Book will do not being able to sell Russia any more advertising space for fake news ?
     
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    Theres no reason to think they suppressed any, as every state has said their roles were not compromised. I do wonder why you continue to not answer simple questions though.
     
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    The Trump Justice Department Special Counsel and Republican-run Senate and House investigative committees are performing the vital role of confronting the matter of Putin's scheme to pervert a US presidential election, as confirmed by the FBI, NSA, and CIA.

    Similar attacks were directed at the democratic systems of Germany, Austria, France, and others.

    Let's hope that we can be confident that the details will be exposed, and that we can conduct elections free of intrusion by a hostile, foreign entity in 2018 and 2020.
     
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    When you expect people to pay for them and close DMVs in poor neighborhoods, yes. Nobody (in power) suggesting voter IDs is suggesting that they be free and mailed to the house and attached to automatic voter registration at 18 (or establishing legal residency) as would be the logical path.
     
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    After the tax cuts are firmly entrenched in their paychecks, don't bet on it, I want to see the 2018 ads from Dems, " we voted to keep more of your cash in DC". Good luck with that.
    As far as Moore goes Jones won by 20,000 votes, 27,000 votes were write ins for anyone from Sessions to Mickey Mouse, in other words anyone but Moore. Jones will have that seat for 2 years.
     
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    Baloney. Voter ID cards in almost every state are already free, and if they do cost money, they certainly don't cost any more than a drivers license or a passport.

    Photo ID is required to do anything as an adult. Suggesting it is some kind of disenfranchisement is one of the dumbest arguments out there.
     
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    So Twitter suppresses mostly conservative speakers and you applaud this charade. I do believe the left wants authoritarian control. America for fascists.
     
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    Buy gold.
     
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    Obama voters will have to show up in person to get their ID card

    But there is no charge for it
     
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    Because it was simply not possible for the people of the united states to have wanted Donald Trump on their own, correct?
     
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    Or silver
     
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    Not a bad thing to have in a bear market, eh. Selling at the right moment could work out well.
     
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    Gold is notoriously unstable and can't be eaten. Treasury bonds are safer as a financial hedge and if you're an end timer, land and salt will serve you better than gold if proven right.
     
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    Very good plan, I did it 2000 and never looked back. I have 2 stocks that I've held for years, stocks that rebound with the economy and pay decent dividends. I'm not looking to get rich I just want to keep what I have regardless who's in DC.
     
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