Trump Backs Dismissal of USS Roosevelt Captain

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  1. Egoboy

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    And naturally, top Pentagon officials defend this trip, and its cost...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-pentagon-officials-defend-243-223411275.html

    I personally don't see any actual need for Modly to have had 'eyes on' the Roosevelt in this situation... The facts were and are clear.

    Bad move...

    Seems the Navy is reviewing the firing...

    https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-brett-crozier-reinstatement
     
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    JUST IN: Top Navy official recommends reinstating Capt. Brett Crozier to command of USS Theodore Roosevelt



    A defense official also says that Esper was not prepared to immediately accept the Navy’s recommendation, wants to review it.
     
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    Trump didn’t make that decision.
     
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    There is simply no room in the military for going around the chain of command. It is part of the structure of discipline without which the military cannot operate. The captain knew what he was doing and how it would end. It was a choice. If it makes him a hero with you or his sailors and marines that is lovely but it is unacceptable in the military.
     
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    He is likely getting his command back. So all is well.
     
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    The chain of command decided you are wrong because they took the ship out of service and quarantined the crew.
     
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    You mean... Donald claimed that the virus was totally under control, was totally not pleased with that captain.
    Admiral M. M. Gilday advised to not let the captain go.
    But Modly, a politician appointed by Donald, overruled him and kicked the captain of the ship.

    Modly had to go. The navy is back at the helm. And they ... who knew... are advising for reinstatement of their captain.


    You've been had, by a politician listening to Donald.
    That's Donald, draft dodging, Trump.
     
  8. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's interesting that it's taking Trump-Tool Esper this long to make the final decision... I know he's weighing keeping his job vs following the recommendation of the service he oversees, but today is day 4...
     
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    Not sure what any of that has to do with my post so I won't comment.
     
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    He is lucky he didn't face a court martial.
     
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    Naval leadership feels different than you. Only guy losing is job was the mouthy one.
     
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    How do you know what naval leadership feels?
     
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    Would seem they think he is fit to command his ship.
     
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    I don't doubt that. He wouldn't have had the command in the first place if that weren't true. But you didn't respond to what I wrote.
     
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    You said... The captain knew what he was doing and how it would end.
    And basically, no. That captain knew what he was doing, but couldn't know it would end like this.
    That memo was leaked to the press, and than idiots GOP politicians had a go at it.
    His chain of command saw no problems with it, yet he still got removed by a politician.
    The politician got removed himself, and the chain of command still supports there is no problem.

    It's people like you / the GOP who have a problem with what the chain of command have to say about it.
    You probably never listened to his chain of command either.
    You've been had by GOP politicians.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Ah yes. It has to be the fault of a politician of the other party. That's it. The military doesn't really care about the chain of command and decisions are never made through political motivations. I should have known it all along.
     
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    The memo was send up in the chain of command. Admiral M. M. Gilday advised to not let the captain go over this. A freaking good nothing politician decided he knew best. That politician showed he indeed got no freaking clue about the navy and had to go. And it seems you're sharing a lot of iffy values with such a loser of GOP politician. Not my problem.

    What the GOP and people like you should be concerned with, is how that memo ended up being published! There are only so few people with that knowledge that can leak such information to the press. China, Iran and Russia are all laughing at your faces for knowing what aircraft carrier suddenly aint there. You lot went after the wrong guy for the wrong reasons.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    I'm a believer in whistleblowing. Sorry.
     
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    That's not whistleblowing... that's leaking..

    Know the difference..
     
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    Tomayto Tomahto
     
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    Sure. Doesn't matter for the sake that the captain did nothing wrong... according to his own chain of command.
    Just silly right wing politicians, with a draft dodger at the helm, are running a circus here.
     
  22. Egoboy

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    No, it's really not... I'll assist

    Whistleblowing is generally defined as below..

    SNIP
    The disclosure by a person, usually an employee in a government agency or private enterprise, to the public or to those in authority, of mismanagement, corruption, illegality, or some other wrongdoing.
    ENDSNIP

    Can you remotely accuse this captain of any of those criteria?? Sorry, but breaking the "chain of command" is a pitifully low definition of "wrongdoing"...

    This was leaked. And while I'm generally not opposed to leaking (non classified information), the major outcome here was to publicize this health issue, and led to non-cooler heads overreacting....
     
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  23. Egoboy

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    Here's an update to this story.... sounds to me like they are trying desperately NOT to reinstate this guy, for the obvious reasons (rhymes with Chump).... Stall!!!!

    https://news.yahoo.com/us-navy-extends-probe-virus-hit-aircraft-carrier-152828909.html
     
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    I was referring to the leaker, not the Captain.

    It would have ended in a court martial except for the public political outcry.

    I'm OK with leaking most classified information as well since most of it isn't about national security but rather about embarrassing the government.
     
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    I recommend you never enlist in the military.
     

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