Trump defeats ISIS on the battlefield in one year

Jeez your relying on opinions from a RW Christian website? No wonder you have the misinformed thinking you do.

This map shows ISIS losses in 2015:



Proving what I said. By the time donald took office, ISIS had suffered losses of huge portions of land, and were on the run. donald finished the job using Obama's military, which dondald had called weak.

 

That is a bit of a silly statement to make, don't you think.

Otherwise no wars would have ever been won, and no enemies would have ever been defeated, in all of human history.

 

Trump changed tactics and rules of engagement and accomplished in one year what Obama couldn't in eight. Just as he got the US economy out of stagnation and growing at 3% GDP he got the war on ISIS in full gear and got the job done.

 

If the economy maintains its 3 percent GDP growth at the end of this quarter, it will be the first time in over 12 years that we have had three quarters in a row, with 3 percent growth.

Trump could get 3 percent, and maybe even 4 percent, GDP growth this quarter

 

Maybe; but they are like a bacterial infection, it's not gone until you kill off all of it. If not killed off they'll return with a vengeance someday.

 

I stand by my statement; we've never faced an enemy like ISIS before.

 

The ones managing the battle in Mosul were the Iraqis, it’s their city, and they were the ones on the ground who sacrificed 10,000 of their own fighting this battle. Also, contrary to what many believe, US air strikes in Iraq are down from last year. If there’s a major policy change the president should get credit for, it is in Syria and not Iraq. Ultimately the territories gained in Syria would not have occurred if we were still trying to topple the Syrian government.

 

I still think you were over dramatic. ISIS as a caliphate is dead, ISIS as a power which can put an army on the field of battle, is dead.

 

I know Trump is someone you adore and cherish but can you at least be a little balanced in your posts?. Trump Bombed an empty airfield, US forces are in a supportive role in Syria and I think it is Putin and Assad who actually did more to crush ISIS. But hey facts don't matter to you so I guess a standard response is en route predictive reply already noted.

 

You need to scroll back through this thread. Some good links to US military giving Obama credit for letting them make battlefield decisions and how that turned the tide.

Edit:: Also see post #88

 

"President Donald Trump pledged on the campaign trail to “bomb the ****” out of the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) in Iraq and Syria, and new figures reveal that he is doing just that. The United States-led coalition dropped more than 5,000 bombs on the group’s positions in August.

"Coalition airpower continued its annihilation of ISIS, releasing more than 5,075 weapons, the most of any month in the three-year campaign to defeat ISIS,” the figures released by the U.S. Air Forces Central Command showed.

This number surpassed the previous monthly high for the campaign known as Operation Inherent Resolve, which was 4,848 in June, and double the number the year before, when it was just 2,244."

"The military force said the majority of the strikes in August were conducted in support of Iraqi and Syrian ground forces battling ISIS on two fronts: to liberate the northwestern Iraqi city of Tal Afar, which has now been wrestled from the jihadist group; and the eastern Syrian city of Raqqa, where a coalition of Kurdish-Arab fighters are continuing a months-long siege.

Under the Trump administration, U.S. military commanders have been handed a greater remit to decide strike locations and the frequency of those strikes. Already, 2017 is the year with the largest number of bombs dropped by the coalition, with only three-quarters of the year passed.

The year has seen 32,801 weapons released in the campaign against ISIS, compared to the campaign under the Obama administration, in which 30,743 were released in the whole of 2016, and 28,696 in 2015. The number of sorties is much lower than those in previous years, however, with 13,109 in 2017 so far, compared to 21,116 in 2015, and 21,181 in 2016.

The figures do not account for coalition aircraft, so they are not a full representation of the total bombing raids used against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

Along with the Trump administration’s new strategy to defeat ISIS, the battle for the northern Iraqi city of Mosul was in play for more than half of the year.

The operation, which began in October 2016, became a nine-month slog that ended in Mosul's Old City with the capture of key buildings such as the famous Al-Nuri Mosque where ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi declared a self-proclaimed caliphate in July 2014.

Trump’s Defense Secretary James Mattis said during the operation that the military had changed its strategy and was beginning to use “annihilation tactics,” instead of attrition, to defeat the group.

“Our intention is that the foreign fighters do not survive the fight to return home to North Africa, to Europe, to America, to Asia, to Africa, we are not going to allow them to do so,” Mattis said in May. “We are going to stop them there and take apart the caliphate.”

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-really-bombing-****-out-isis-just-he-promised-664844

 

Unfortunately, consumer debt is also rising quickly, so we are fueling this growth with borrowed dollars in both the government and private sector. I'd rather have slow growth than these bubbles.

 

As described by an outgoing military personnel, but again the battle for Mosul was conducted by the Iraqi military, and US strikes in that country are down this year, not up.

 

Isis is very much alive and well and is operating in Africa. We will have to defeat them there also.

 

My post had absolutely nothing to do with Obama. Why is it Trumpians always change the subject from Trump to Obama, Clinton, the Virgin Mary, anybody but Trump.

In your case it is because everything I said was the truth. You couldn't deny anything, then you said Trump was a "good thing." You provided no basis for the praise.

 

Another Trumpian who finds it necessary to bring up Obama and has difficulty with reading comprehension. You would dearly love to shift the conversation over to Obama. Start another thread. As the title implies, this one is about Trump.

I said, "Trump knows nothing about the military. To compensate for this severe weakness on the part of the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces the White House came up with the ludicrous idea that Trump turned the whole military over to local commanders. The Pentagon is still under civilian control, Marine general, Jim Mattis. His generals don't do a thing without his approval. Trump simply turned the entire military over to Mattis, not local commanders. American troops are not in the fight against ISIS, other than air support. Our troops are merely trainers and advisors. How aggressive can you get as trainers and advisors? This is pure nonsense, and this kind of stupidity could only come from Trump himself."

You could not deny the statement I made. So, you simply ignored it and repeated the propaganda put out by the White House.

Do you honestly think the commander of the air base launching sorties over Syria decides what to do with his aircraft? Are you that naive? That is what the propaganda says.

That commander is controlled by the Pentagon, and the generals in the Pentagon are under the control of SecDef.

It's either that, or you are saying Trump is in violation of our Constitution he has sworn to obey and protect. Our Constitution requires civilian control of the military.

So, which is it?

 

Do you think we've seen the end of them? After all they are a fanatic religious sect who will never change unless they are all eradicated. They are like roaches; if you don't kill all of them, they will come back in greater numbers down the road. Maybe the caliphate is dead, but ISIS isn't. Just my two cents.

 

You made a point of mentioning President Trumps lack of military experience. It is absolutely relative to the fight against ISIS to mention the Ex Presidents equal lack of experience, especially when the current military leaders in theater mentioned the differences.

And please don't pretend you have a clue how the military conducts it's business. That is delusional on your part.

The only thing people can go by is the verbatim comments of the military leadership who successfully dealt with ISIS faster than they anticipated, given President Trumps directives.

Learn to chain your denials, they don't forward your agenda very well.

 

That is exactly right. Western forces, the military, law enforcement, and intell agencies can only attempt to control Islamic terrorists. They will never defeat groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda. We have tried for decades. The only result is very limited successes and failure at a cost of trillions.

Only Muslims can defeat Muslim extremists. Makes sense, too. Muslim extremists kill more Muslims than any other ethnicity.

 

No wonder ISIS had such success on social media, 0bama refused to target their media safe houses, or their headquarters, or their profits from captured oil wells.[/QUOTE]

Trumpians just can't stay on topic. This thread is about Trump (check out the title). They want to talk about Obama. They want Trump critics to get bogged down defending Obama, thereby limiting discussion about their hero. It won't work.

Funny thing about Trump supporters. The last person they want to talk about is Trump.

 

You are joking, right? Are you talking hypothetically? We don't have any battlefield commanders because we haven't had any combat troops in the Middle East for six years. Our troops there are trainers and advisors.

Going along with your hypothetical, do you really think a local commander can decide on his own what to do with his troops? Do you really think Marine Corps General Jim Mattis, Trump's SecDef, will allow that to happen?

If you answer "yes," I have another question for you. Were you ever in the military? Or are you speaking from the viewpoint of complete ignorance?

 

Note to all posters.

This is the standard slippery reply we get from the named poster above. He informs us we are wrong to speak of Obama yet his posts drip with hatred for Trump. We are to tie our hands behind our backs so he can smear Trump.

OK, end of message.

 

Trump gave orders to unleash the battle forces of this country and to go after ISIS. Had this been the path of the previous president, he too would have been successful.

 

Sometimes it's quality not quantity. Obama bombed empty trucks after dropping leaflets. Trump is approaching the war in an entirely different way and that's why he won it so quickly.
"Trump’s Defense Secretary James Mattis said during the operation that the military had changed its strategy and was beginning to use “annihilation tactics,” instead of attrition, to defeat the group."

"Under the Trump administ ration, U.S. military commanders have been handed a greater remit to decide strike locations and the frequency of those strikes. Already, 2017 is the year with the largest number of bombs dropped by the coalition, with only three-quarters of the year passed".
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From my previous link on this.

Under the Trump administration, U.S. military commanders have been handed a greater remit to decide strike locations and the frequency of those strikes."