Trump doubles down on sanctions - threatening Europe with divorce

If course there is profit in trade with Iran - and I have no idea what went on in the back channels. What does this have to do with hitting a hornets nest with a baseball bat ? There was simply no upside to this action - other than to score political points at home.

I don't actually think that Trump was totally in favor of this - he is rather anti war - I think it was his neocon administration that convinced him combined with a desire to score political points at home - with no regard to the long term consequences.

We can navel gaze on the why's and howfors all we like - This does not change the fact that this is a huge mess and what ever these dudes has backfired big time.

We don't have to "guess" at how this will play out in may respects - it is already playing out as we speak - and I have given numerous examples in previous posts.

It is not just Europe - this is a combined global effort - "against the US" - Sans a few nations like Poland, Ukraine, Canada, Australia, Japan, Mexico and a few others that don't matter.

This is unprecedented in modern history - but common with respect to history in general - and cycles in history. We have been at the top of the food chain for a long time - and - as is normally the case - we have gotten too arrogant, too proud, and started to abuse our position - like never before.

The fact of the matter is that we could have abused our position - and did in some respects - in prior years when we were the only economic game in town - but we didn't - especially not with our close allies.

Fast forward to now. We are no longer the only game in town - yet we are abusing our position of power like never before in our history. We have never tried to usurp the sovereignty of our allies like we are doing now. Never in modern history.

Because of this we have a friggen global revolt going on. The straw that broke the camels back was laid on the pile and kaboom.

Whats done is done - the only question is if all the kings horses and all the kings men can put humpty back together.

Regardless of my disagreement with how this factors that led up to this mess played out - and it wasn't like numerous Establishment political and bureaucratic insiders were not going "NO NO NO... don't do it because XYZ will happen" - XYZ has now happened and everyone knows it - including those that created this mess. They will be working to try to put Humpty back together. These guys are not stupid - even though they did a stupid thing. They took a gamble and it backfired - and they know it.

What I don't think they expected was that the reaction would be this extreme. Their analysis of the position of the geopolitical chessboard was way off - and has been for years to be honest so it is not like this flawed analysis was not a function of group think - as in most of the political/bureaucratic establishment. This action however went beyond - it was a big blunder - possibly game losing blunder if we do not act quickly.

 

Trump is trying to avoid war while at the same time disarming Irans nuclear weapons program

But to do that he needs the cooperation of the spineless greedy euros who cant see past the noses on their faces

A nuclear iran may give their ego a temporary boost because it showed them damn Americans what for

But it will also i itiats an arms race in the region that can only end in a ball of fire
Its a pity that blind hatred of trump prevents more people from doing what needs to be done

 

I simply defend my country just like you do.

 

You are doing quite well with your English and I congratulate you for that. Just to expand your vocabulary you wanted to use the term "allies." Alleys are narrow passages between buildings that connect one city street to another. I won't sanction anybody but president Trump may do so.

 

Are you with us or are you with terrorists supporting fascist? Simple question Europe. If you are with terrorists supporting fascist we will not be cooperating with you on that so quit whining and stick with Iran as a trading partner and political allies. You can't have it both ways.

 

Typical Nazi rhetoric.

 

Hitler cultivated these same Mideast alliances. Here we go again.

 

I dont think the germans posting here hate us because they are nazi’s

They are just stuffed with Teutonic pride

But I would not call the nazi’s

Howver they coud be socislist globalists dreaming of a world where America is brought down to germanys level

 

Correcting someone who does not speak english as native language is incredible rude and shows your lack of class. I would never belittle someone who cant speak properly German. But what can i expect. Your countrymen are known for non existing culture.

That said, Trump sanctions nothing. He is too weak and scared.

 

The point of the deal was to prevent Iran from continuing towards a nuclear weapon - and by all accounts that matter - including our own experts - Iran was sticking to the deal.

TDS has nothing to do with this fact - if anything it is those who have blindness due to partisan Trump Love that are the problem.

Stepping back for a moment and looking at the big picture - putting ABM's (missile defense) on Russia's borders is far more of a threat to the security of the world than Iran getting nukes - assuming Iran did get nukes which was prevented - at least temporarily - by the deal.

In the ME I don't see Iran attacking foreign nations - in fact when was the last time Iran attacked any foreign nation unprovoked ? Israel on the other hand has been quite aggressive.

Back to ABM's on Russia's border. Who are we to claim that some other nation when our actions pose a bigger threat. This is yet another case of do as we say - not as we do.

Russia, China, and the EU are just as concerned about Global Security as the US. Your unsupported inferred assumption that the are not is false. Further - if any nation acts on the basis of greed - it is the US which is owned and run by the international financiers. Iraq was a prime example as was Syria - where we were arming terrorists with sophisticated military technology.

Iran has the same smell to be honest.

 

So France, UK and Germany are Hitler now.

Dude get real Beside that, you are the facist terror supporting country.

A war against Iran would be a gargantuan crisis for Europe with possible millions of refugees.

We will not allow you to do us harm. Its that easy.

You have doen enough bad thing against our people. Its enough. A war with Iran could very well end our future in Europe. And we will not allow you to kill us. Its that simple.

 

You mean up on our level. We lead in evry single field. You are a developing country with bad infrastructure, extreme poverty and extreme crime. Your living standard is also below ours and your life expectancy as well.

 

Who is the terrorist supporting fascist. When you start out with nonsense and falsehood - anything based on that falsehood is no better.

I agree that the US is close allies with the largest supporter of Terrorism on the planet ... Saudi Arabia.

Number 2 is the USA . So why are you a terrorist supporting fascist ?

 

Germany is forging the same Mideast alliances hitler did thus the comparison

 

It's just fact that Germany is going down the same path as hitler with the same allies in the Mideast. Germany is always on the wrong side of history

 

Wrong

The goal was to postpone iran going nuclear until after obama and the other spineless euro leaders were out of office

 

Are you denying Iran is a fascist state that supports terrorism? Are you aware of how many USvtroops in Iraq and Afghanistan lost life and limb due to Iran IED importation and technology? Iran is our enemy and Europe needs to be on our side or their side. Side with Iran and suffer the consequences.

 

That is true

But so is france

 

Defensive missles are no threat to russia unless they plan to attack their neighbors someday

 

Which doesn't surprise me a bit and is also reminiscent of the nazi era.

 

Good for you

But I am not snooping around german forums telling them what to do

If you didnt post here I would hardly think of germany at all

 

Yeah we have the same allies like in WW II. France, UK. We all remember our former alliance in WW II with the French and Brits.

Dude...did you seriously just say France and UK was on our side in WW II?

Come back when you have functional infrastructure on the level of Nigeria

 

No he didnt say that

 

If we dont side with Iran, the consquences will be even worse. Millions of migrants trying to reach our border.

No, we will not step aside. We see it as our highest interest to keep peace with Iran and we will not follow US war mongering. Your bluff in the persian gulf was called out.

France stands with Iran:



Germany stands with Iran:



The UK stands with Iran



Japan stands with Iran



China stands with Iran



Russia stands with Iran

 

He did say exactly that. He talks like this is Germany alone siding with Iran, when infact, USA is completly isolated.