Trump golf club fires 12 illegal immigrant workers, lawyer says

So the problem isn't the forger or the employer, just the illegal. Smfh.

 

They've admitted to using phony docs to get their jobs. Not sure what else you want. Deport 'em.

 

What excuses? Illegal immigration is horrible and leads to other crimes like ID theft and forgery. We need more border security.

 

LOL.. Why do you suppose MOST states have refused E-Verify?

 

Responsible employers use it, regardless of being 'required'. The penalties (to say nothing of the pain of a labor audit) can be excruciating if you are found employing illegals, intentionally or not.

Not that e-verify is perfect, if someone has well-forged documents, but it has caught a number of other situations of stolen identity.

 

If he used forged documents fine the illegal worker $10,000 and deport him and his entire family

If the employer hired him knowing he was illegal fine the employers $10,000 also but still punish the worker by deporting him

 

Five states require use of E-Verify by public employers and all or most public contractors: Indiana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Virginia, and Missouri. Three states require only public contractors to use E-Verify: Louisiana, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania.

-Verify is a United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) website that allows businesses to determine the eligibility of their employees, both U.S. or foreign citizens, to work in the United States.[1]

E-Verify was originally established in 1996 as the Basic Pilot Program to prevent illegal immigrants and other people who have violated immigration laws from obtaining employment illegally in the United States. In August 2007, DHS started by requiring all federal contractors and vendors to use E-Verify.

The Internet-based program is free and maintained by the United States government. Use of E-Verify at the state level varies; some states have mandated use of E-Verify or similar programs, while others have discouraged the program.[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Verify

E-Verify compares information from an employee's Employment Eligibility Verification Form I-9 to data from U.S. government records. If the information matches, that employee is eligible to work in the United States. If there is a mismatch, E-Verify alerts the employer and the employee is allowed to work while he or she resolves the problem; they must contact the appropriate agency to resolve the mismatch within eight federal government work days from the referral date.[2]

The program is operated by the DHS in partnership with the Social Security Administration. According to the DHS website, more than 600,000 employers used E-Verify as of 2016.[3]

Research shows that E-Verify harms the labor market outcomes of undocumented immigrants and improves the labor market outcomes of Mexican legal immigrants and U.S.-born Hispanics, but has no impact on labor market outcomes for non-Hispanic white Americans.[4]

A 2016 study suggests that E-Verify reduces the number of undocumented immigrants in states that have mandated use of E-Verify for all employers, and further notes that the program may deter illegal immigration to the US in general

 

I dont know if most states have

What does “refused” even mean in this context?

 

Okay, I already know all that, since we use e-verify, even though we are not 'required' to by state law. I'm not sure what your point was.

 

The point is that its not required .. even though its free and easy to use.. Do employers REALLY want to stop the employment of illegals?

 

As I said in my post, the penalties for being found to have employed illegals (by State or Federal DOL) is a long and painful process. While I am well aware of the use of 'day laborers' in the landscape and construction business, reputable business use e-verify VOLUNTARILY. Since we have over 600 employees at any given time, e-verify has proven effective in more than just weeding out the illegals, as I mentioned. Since it's free to use, those who choose not to use it are either lazy, or intentionally dodging.

 

Where did they obtain the phony documents, that just doesn't matter to Trumpers.

 

We also need to punish those who are giving out phony documents and those who are hiring folks whom they know or think are illegal.

 

So the employer who makes millions only faces a 10k fine. That's bullshit.

 

Employers will feel a $10,000 fine

If they have 10 employees thats $100,000

If they have 100 employees thats $1 million

I dont call that pocket change

 

That is bullshit, not sure why you're making crap up. I would love to see anyone involved in aiding these illegals in their identity theft harshly punished and if they're illegals obviously deported. Identity theft is a serious problem in our country.

 

That's alot of "ifs".

 

If you didn't have folks forging fake documents and folks hiring them how many folks do you think would come here.

 

Paintbrush much?
Of course it matters, regardless of your labeling. However, 10 years after the fact, and even at the time, do you really think the forger/ID thief is going to say "Hi I'm so-n-so, I stole or forged your documents, so remember to recommend me to all your friends!"

Chances are, the documents had gone through at least three sets of hands before they made their way into the end users hands.

Pursue what happens currently, and a few may be snagged.

 

A lot less. What's your point? More border security. More physical barriers preventing their arrival. More crack-down on identity theft. It's all helps. Of course this will increase the number of those working under the table as well as engaging in other criminal activities to support themselves.

 

it already is against the law to knowingly hire illegals, as pointed out repeatedly here, it's also been highlighted that the Trump Admin was successful in prosecuting and obtaining the largest punishment in history of that sort of illegal act....also obviously it is against the law to obtain and create forged public documents. So yes....anyone that does all those things should be punished.

 

As with anything, as long as there is someone willing to pay them, they will come. Like drugs, all that crap coming across the border, is here because there is a demand. Punish the employers first and foremost.

IMO, for what that's worth, e-verify should be required, regardless of employer size. The DOL seems to like to harass larger employers, and that isn't who usually employs an illegal, other than those who make it past with forged documents. And it's not just those who come over the southern border, those who stay past their Visa are a problem also.

 

I have no issue with e-verify but it can’t tell if a document is forged.
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There is generally going to be demand, because conditions and freedoms are generally better here then South America et al. They’ll take the risk. The problem is when they come illegally v legally. I would much rather there be Demand because of a booming economy

 

Actually, IF (capitalized) e-verify has record of X individual having recently been put through the system in, let's say, Kansas, and suddenly they are put through the system in North Carolina, it may come up with a 'tentative non-confirmation', I've actually had it happen. I have no idea if it was stolen or forged, the employee bolted two days after we received that notification.

My opinion, e-verify should be mandatory.

 

They don't use it and haven't passed it into law.