Trump golfed while Dorian crawled on

Blaming Obama for what? It's not his fault there was a hurricane....

ISIS wouldn't of existed had the leader not been released from US custody

 

Al Qaeda and ISIS would not have survived if Bush hadn't killed off Saddam who was the biggest enemy of terrorism in the Middle East.

 

he terrorized his own people. I have personally seen what the Fedayeen, his secret police, were capable of doing to their own people, and it was not pretty. Saddam and his sons were monsters, and the world is better off without them.

 

AQ was doing just fine when he was around, in fact ISIS was orginally their Iraqi branch.

 

Incorrect. Al Qaeda did not dare operate in Iraq while Saddam was in power, and ISIS wasn't more than a vague concept until years after Saddam's demise.

Saddam Hussein was a brutal thug whose minority rule was tyrannical, as minority rules generally are. But to argue that his removal from the arena didn't invite the promptly ensuing chaos that followed is denying historical facts.

 

Saddam was an active sponsor of terorist....not as big as Iran...but nonetheless a sponsor....https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/iraq-iraqi-ties-terrorism

He was a brutal thug, that caused chaos, all over the region....his removal didn't give rise to the chaos...the lack of leadership from Washington, in particular during the Arab Spring

 

AQ considered Saddam a bigger enemy than the USA which is why he fought them.

 

Yes he did terrorize his people. But so did ultra right winger General Rios-Montt in Guatemala whose genocide of Native Americans was just like Hitler's genocidal actions in Europe. Bush's war of imperialistic terrorism was a crime that deserved a Nuremberg Tribunal just like Ben Ferencz demanded.

 

Hahahahaha, ok pal. There was no genocide going on in Iraq, except for what the insurgents were doing. Sure there were civilian deaths. It’s war. Saddam was the one guilty of genocide. His secret police were butchers. You trying to say Bush was as bad shows you have no clue and listen to nothing but left wing garbage propaganda. When you see what saddam and his henchmen did firsthand, you will have a different perspective.

 

Haha yeah...when was that war?

 

"haha"??

Like so many on the far right, you do not understand the issues in the Middle East which is why so many of you succumbed to the lies of traitor Bush when he started his imperialist wars.

Saddam's Baathist regime was secularist - this has been established on the forum and all throughout the media. Al Qaeda, like ISIS, opposes secularism. This is why they fought against him and other ME secularists:


https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/30/opinion/saddam-hussein-and-al-qaeda-are-not-allies.html


''Iraq and Al Qaeda are not obvious allies. In fact, they are natural enemies. A central tenet of Al Qaeda's jihadist ideology is that secular Muslim rulers and their regimes have oppressed the believers and plunged Islam into a historic crisis. ''




See how easy it is to defeat a right winger in these debates? Easiest thing in the world - just post the TRUTH and they are helpless.

 

On the one hand you say only insurgents created genocide, then you say only Saddam did. Obviously this is confused "thinking" but so typical of forum righties who just do not understand the issues while succumbing to Fox network and other right wing propaganda garbage.

Saddam did engage in domestic terrorism, one called a slow genocide by the British Independent:

''In the haze on the horizon, Iraqi military vehicles and dump-trucks can be seen raising clouds of dust; they are building a massive new dyke running north-south through Huwaiza which will cut off the last line of escape from Iraq to Himmet. President Saddam Hussein's slow genocide of the Marsh Arabs is reaching its climax.



The encirclement and destruction of the Marsh Arabs and the annihilation of their 5,000-year-old culture have been brought about by the deliberate draining of their unique habitat - the 6,000-square-mile marshes of southern Iraq.''


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...raq-cannot-endure-their-villages-1463823.html



Other minority groups were persecuted by Saddam. But this does not "justify" USA invasion of that country. If it had, then an invasion of Guatemala would have been justified and necessitated.

 

So they didn’t have a war? Gotcha.

I’m not saying they were pals, obviously AQ was closer to Iran as the 9/11 Commish highlighted. But don’t act like they were fighting one another. Saddam cheered their acts on the WTC, Cole etc

I agree with everything in that NY Times article and agree that saddam was rightly removed

 

Why not?

 

correction: "Iraq is the only Arab country that has not condemned last month's attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon."

But Saddam later offered condolences for the victims:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/22/iraq.afghanistan




Bush killed more people in the Middle East than all of that region's terrorists did combined to the West. Let's see American right wing churches condemn his evils like Muslim religious leaders did about 9/11.

 

Saddam and AQ killed more. The USA doesn’t need to say they are sorry for liberating a nation

 

see my previous reference to Ben Ferencz

 

Iraqis do not see themselves as liberated by the USA.

 

Guatemala was not as important to US interests as Iraq.

The insurgents were mostly made up of Saddam loyalists, as well as foreign fighters from places like Syria and Iran.

My ideas about who was committing genocide come from first hand account, not some propaganda “news source”.

 

Perhaps wealthy elites do but USA has no interests in Iraq.

 

For future reference, you may want to include definitions of the big words, like secularism in this case. It probably won't help, but at least you will know you did your best.

 

Not after Obama turned their back on them. But certainly they did after we helped them over throw saddam

 

No they did not.

 

wealthy elites are American citizens as much as you and I.

 

Ah I don’t know...they had a govt, a trial for saddam...seemed like they were getting there

And who can forget the purple fingers after they actually got to vote!!!