Trump or Sanders - if you had to vote, who?

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Trump or Sanders?

Poll closed Jan 20, 2016.
  1. Trump

    54.0%
  2. Sanders

    46.0%
  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    It is not a question of who has done it before, it is a question of predisposition of the candidate. Being prepared for higher office in the duties that they have performed in public service is one way to know how that candidate would be as President.
     
  2. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    I don't know why everyone thinks Trump will start a war. He's an isolationist, he likes Putin, he was opposed to Iraq from the beginning and in the middle of it. With who will he start a war? Isis? I wouldn't even mind that. I hate those guys.
     
  3. Alwayssa

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    I don't think he is an isolationist per se, but he would go to war with China and Japan rather than Iraq and Syria because there is no money for him to be had.
     
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    This is a serious concern of yours, that he would go to war with China and Japan? Wouldn't it be simpler to just close the ports or raise import tariffs?

    I confess I worry about a trade was with China, as it is they who is buying all our debt. I'd rather they not, but then who will finance our government operations?
     
  5. Alwayssa

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    Closing ports and raising tariffs is war, just not a shooting war.
     
  6. Conviction

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    Trying to establish fair trade with china makes you fearful, that seems a little rediculous
     
  7. Alwayssa

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    How do you define fair trade?

    Each country, including the United States, has advantages and disadvantages when it comes to trade. We try to export our strengths, which is intellectual property, while importing our weakness, which is cheap, disposable, high demand products.
     
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    i dont want a trump vs sanders election. I think that will be a very close race. Both of them are running on the hope and change bit (yes if you look at it even trump) and they need landslide mandates to get it done. They can only do that vs clinton and rubio or bush.
     
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    When I was in college as an economics major I had to read varying opinions on China and their currency manipulation. If you agree currency manipulation is a problem, which I do, then we need to do something about it. I understand competitive advantage but it can't be out of whack. I was a former libertarian but I believe now more than ever in the intelligent and strategic use of protectionist policies.
     
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    I'd write in "NONE OF THE ABOVE"

    I don't suck up to silly, unrealistic attempts to make me choose between dumb and dumberer.
     
  11. Alwayssa

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    China now uses a free float system for their currency. In the past, their currency was pegged to a derivative of various major currencies including the Euro, US dollar, and others. The RMB has gone from 7.5 RMD per dollar in the early 2000's to 6.58 RMB per US dollar. Their manipulation is not with the currency per se, but with their economy since part of their economy is artificially inflated such as tons of buildings all bought and paid for but no occupants for instance.

    But how do you combat artificial expenditures in an economy? No one has the answer yet and it is not blaming the currency.
     
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  13. Conviction

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    As far as I know Chinese government controls the exchange of currency... If not, this must be recent. Do you have proof of this?

    I've seen those cities before, pretty amazing
     
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    He likes Putin because Putin kissed up to him so that he wouldn't start a war with him. I hate ISIS but starting a war with them will end up very much like how al-Qaeda did, basically causing more of a problem. Trump is not an isolationist, he thinks that America has to spread its "freedom" to everyone, and the only reason he was opposed to Iraq was because he's a heartless businessman. While he may say this stuff, one has to analyze the reasons behind them. For example, Hitler was pro-choice, not because he thought that people had the right and what not, but because he wanted any inferior unborn baby to be aborted. So while on paper it may say that he was pro-choice, its not exactly what you would call pro-choice in a modern sense.
     
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    Not exactly, but here is a little lite reading about the RMB and how it is valued. However, like other central banking systems, the currency valuation can be influenced through monetary policy of the currency including, but not limited to, purchases of foreign debentures and currency from abroad as a reserve for its currency.
     
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    The NSDAP was a socialist workers party.
     
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    Trump repeatedly has stated his decision was based upon communications from FOX - so I explored this.

    Megyn Kelly had tweeted that the upcoming FOX debate will dramatically change the election.

    Fox wrote to Trump - releasing this publically, calling Trump a "terrorist" who was "terrorizing" Kelly, that Trump would hide from the leaders of Iran and Russia, and that Trump was going to replace the Cabinet and put Twitter followers on it. The CEO of FOX also so raved of Kelly's beauty that he comes across as some old letcher with a hard-on for her.

    Simply, FOX corporate sent Trump a collection of taunting personal and professional insults, while Megyn Kelly vowed publicly to use the debate to knock out Trump. Trump would have been foolish to subject himself to that set-up in which 3 Fox moderators are attacking him, and urging the other candidates to so - for which after the debate FOX would declare as a fact that Trump was stomped in the debate and that his campaign is over.

    A commentator on CNN put it best. He said Fox does not report the news because FOX believes THEY are the news - that it is ALL about FOX itself, not the candidates.

    This is a decisive moment in the Trump campaign and in Republican politics. Is it the Republican primary? Or the FOX primary for which the Republican nominee is picked by FOX? In the previous primaries FOX systematically destroyed each conservative and outsider candidate to lead to the "moderate" Republican - who then lost the election.

    As FOX and Democrats declare 1,000,000 times that Trump is afraid of Kelly, hopefully people can see past that claim to what is really going on. FOX openly declared they are going to calculatedly use the debate to destroy Trump's campaign because FOX's CEO will not tolerate any criticism of his crush, Megyn Kelly. No criticism of FOX's political commentators will be allowed and merely being critical will result in FOX calling the candidate a "terrorist."

    To hell with FOX. Let's see if they can succeed in their ultimate goal of making Jeb Bush the nominee. Hopefully Republicans are not just the controlled sheeple of FOX.
     
  18. Conviction

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    Of course velocity of money, fiscal, and monetary policy can play a role in valuation of currency. Thanks for the link, I'll give it a read.
     
  19. Uber Lib

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    again our lil poll shows a Sanders ass stomping in the waiting for all comers
     
  20. Conviction

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    I'd give the poll a +-3% margin of error :D
     
  21. Uber Lib

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    consider Trump is near his top in potential voters while Sanders has plenty of headroom, with time
     
  22. gamewell45

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    Sanders.....in a heartbeat. Trump is nothing more then an uncouth blowhard with an ego the size of the empire state building.
     
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