Trump ordered US drone strike that killed Iran general Qassem Suleimani

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  1. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

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    If you could elaborate a bit more about this hegemony over the region, what exactly do you think Israel tries to do to what countries and for what goal, many thx...
     
  2. Iranian Monitor

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    You can read different aspects of it in the articles I post for you below.

    The initial blueprints. prepared as a policy-paper for Netanyahu by the folks who became important policy-makers in the Bush administration during the so-called 'war on terror'.

    A Clean Break:
    A New Strategy for Securing the Realm


    This was then taken, and with the folks on the side of the military industrial complex in the US now having their input too, became part of a larger project called the "Project for a New American Century". You can read PNAC in wikipedia or anywhere else you wish, which was also an organization which included most of the top policymakers in the US under the Bush administration.
    Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia

    Once the rubber hit the road, so to speak, and the neocon wet dreams in Iraq turned into something else, you then had modifications in the agenda in 2007, explained in this article:
    The Redirection

    While this is merely part of their 'wet dreams', and shouldn't taken literally, some have put the map of the Middle East that these folks have in mind as follows:
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    The consequences for Iran for going to war with America.

     
  4. Gilos

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    I'm trying to follow your logic....you say that Israel was created as a colony to basically mess you up, then you come with these plans dated from 1997 and on...., Zionism is a 19th century idea, the whole effort took place at the start of the 20th century, what you present are plans long after we became rivals, Zionism vs. the Islamic revolution Iran pushes are nothing to compare, Zionism is stricted to Jewish right for Independence within the land of Israel - we dispute over a very small area of land, Zionism got nothing to do with Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq or Iran - it's you that got aspirations to expand your revolution not us, all our wars and conquests were done to defend our country, not to expand beyond Israel - otherwise we would have never signed peace with Egypt and returning the whole of Sinai....that simply makes no sense.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let me explain something, your dominionist Christians are most certainly extreme. So extreme that they have been known to speak of stoning people for adultery. They only believe in the pieces of the bible which allow them to kill and be violent. There spirituality and mentality is on a par with ISIS and they are spreading in the world and more dangerous than ISIS because they have the power of the US behind them. Their aim is for a theocratic state in the US which would be totalitarian and they are in your government. They have the same philosophy as the extreme right - hatred of gays, Muslims, Jews, racism and so on. They differ from WN's in that their primary hatred is Muslims. Their way is the only way which is acceptable and any who do not think like them should be dead. They are far more dangerous than white nationalists because they have since the 80's spent their time getting themselves impregnated into the institutions of the US including Government and the judiciary. (speaking of the judiciary one of their ideas is that there would be no need for such - summary execution would be sufficient) They also took over seminaries from the late 80's teaching their disgusting perversion of Christianity. They have been working in Africa to undo the work done by progressive Christians to help people fight against oppression, get an education, get medical help, treat people equally by telling them that these Christians are imperialists wanting to destroy them by telling them that gay people should have equal rights whereas there are only gay people in the west and they are demons come to destroy them. They have encouraged African States to put in the death sentence for gays and have also worked on similar for having abortion - which hasn't worked. Their hope there was to then bring these ideas as Christian beliefs back to the United States. (They also tell them the only reason they are poor is because they are not Christian enough - that means following their perversion which they stream into their homes)

    They work with the neo cons

    Their end game which may come to nothing due to their intention to blow up the ME but is that the entire world is run by a Theocracy run by them.

    (By the way they are far far worse that the old Fundamentalists who mainly kept to themselves and did not want political power).

    It is impossible for me to know whether you are ignorant of them or complicit with them.
     
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  6. Gilos

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    That's great analysis there, a general was killed at a high risk of war for delivering a message...., I guess no one else can take a peace agreement to KSA could they ? only Soleimani knows where the keys for car are at.....damn Zionists....lol

    You should stick to Hillery Clinton Satan sex parties with her daughter....
     
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    I didn't say Israel was set as a colony to "mess up" Iran. The initial Zionist project was inherently a colonial project, relying on colonial powers for its realization. It was supported at the time by the interest groups I had outlined before in another thread in my analogy to a corporate entity called Zionist Inc, with different stakeholders (e.g., in my analogy with something which I can give names such as Rupture Inc. (i.e. Christian evangelical types and the other imperialist figures in the British cabinet behind the Balfour Declaration), Rothschild Inc (representing, in my analogy, wealthy Jewish interests who worked and collaborated with European powers at the time), along with some other interests. But, of course, each project is both adjusted and updated based on events and overtime it takes different permutations. Today, Zionist Inc. has similar shareholders, but an updated blue print. This newest blue print still has its main proponents in the same interest groups, along with the military industrial lobby.
     
  8. Gilos

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    But how can you distance other "projects" to how we got into the situation we are now ? Pan-Arabian was a project, Greater Syria, Greater Jordan (the oldest I think), Islamic revolution...., poke a man and he will respond, doesn't mean the man is evil.
    The bottom line is - you want us mutated while we want you to leave us alone.
     
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    You think ppl who risked their lives to protest against armed militia without any press coverage will now unite with their killers because this man was killed ? they wanted to change what he represented, anyway it wasn't done for their benefit.
     
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    Your view of things is contradicted by all the evidence. No one was after you in the region when European Jews were being settled here. No one is after you in the West Bank as Jewish settlements are being built there and, as Netanyahu has indicated, the areas will be claimed by Israel. But the real issue isn't even about YOU. You are part of something else and maybe a beneficiary of it for now. But the real vested interests aren't your rank and file Jews in Israel.
     
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    The "Revenge against America" plan is going great so far.

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    Nothing we can do about past history and past admins. War is a profitable business for powerful interests. Lots of false flags.
     
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    No, are you Judas Trump?
     
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    HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAomg I literally can not breathe.

    That's hilarious.
     
  15. Gilos

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    Unless there will be a war, Iraq only sides with Iran as long as they think the US will not stick around, they most certainly will NOT side with them in a military conflict with the US, and in case of a war, taking out Solimani was a very good move,
    If the US draws back....yea, its favorable to Iran.
    I think Trump made that move because he thinks military conflict is unavoidable.
     
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    What do you mean by "military conflict"?
     
  17. Gilos

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    War....official or unofficial
     
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    They were promised a free meal if they participated. Probably a rush for Big Macs.
     
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    Maybe they ran out of kabob.
     
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    That's ridiculous. Iran will back down as any bully does when confronted.
     
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    The US military destroyed the Iraqi army and government in a matter of days.
     
  22. Iranian Monitor

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    You are right about bullies and if Iran was a bully, you would probably be right. But the bully is Trump. Not that I want him to back down on his threats (other than the one about cultural sites). I do want the conflict between Iran and the US to be settled once and for all. And right now, the only way to settle it is through war.
     
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    Why are you telling me this? I know about both those wars. More importantly, Iran's military and revolutionary guards know about them as they were planning things within Iraq even before your 'shock and awe' began. You will learn soon.
     
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    If we go into Iran, it'll give us a chance to get the rest of Saddam's planes that ran off in Desert Storm. :D
     
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    Iran is at the brink of implosion. They have lost their psychotic global terrorism leader and now fear further retaliation if they do anything in revenge. The days of the Iranian theocracy are numbered unless they agree to a revised deal with Trump terms.
     

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