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Trump Organization Is Charged in 15-Year Tax Scheme

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Bluesguy, Jul 5, 2021
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  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Wait, what lie did he tell the FBI before they went and interviewed him?

    They had fianancially ruined him to where he could no longer afford council and were extorting him over his son.
     
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    Why do you keep saying this? How do you explain the following from the WSJ of May 29, 2020: "The record of the Dec. 29, 2016 call, released Friday along with transcripts of other conversations between Mr. Flynn and then-Ambassador Sergey Kislyak that were intercepted by U.S. intelligence agencies,......." or the following from CBS News: "Transcripts have been released of the [recorded] conversations between former national security adviser Michael Flynn and then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak."
     
    RodB, Jul 5, 2021
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  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    He CLAIMED it was a mistake and no different from what is being charged here including the irony both concerned tuitition of the the child. As normally happens the IRS figured the taxes due applied penalties and interest and sent him a bill which he paid on his way to his new job a Treasury Secretary.

    Yes and there have been no such charges against anyone by the IRS here.

    When they enter into settlements those are public records although the details of the taxes themselves are confidential. Through all these years and through all these audits has the IRS even produced such a finding?
     
    Bluesguy, Jul 5, 2021
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  5. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't know if that's true or not. But he lied to the FBI during his initial interview with them and pled guilty fairly quickly, after he was fired for lying similarly to Pence over the same conversation with the Russian Ambassador. So...your time line doesn't hold up.
     
    stone6, Jul 5, 2021
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    If they've been released, where are they?
     
    stone6, Jul 5, 2021
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  7. Egoboy

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    Quicky answers

    SDNY Charge 7 - MacDougal
    SDNY Charge 8 - Daniels
    Mueller Congressional Perjury charge

    So 3 out of 9 are directly tied to T****... SDNY Charges 1-6 were his personal business...

    Unless you want to claim he paid/caused payment to those 2 women just because he was bored?
     
    Egoboy, Jul 5, 2021
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Those transcripts have all been released....

    DFG Flynn giving response orders to Russia...

    SNIP
    Make it reciprocal. Don't - don't make it- don't go any further than you have to. Because I don't want us to get into something that has to escalate, on a, you know, on a tit for tat. You follow me, Ambassador?
    ENDNIP

    https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2020/05/FlynnTranscripts.pdf
     
    Egoboy, Jul 5, 2021
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  9. stone6

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    OK...I've found the transcripts. I was wrong. The FBI (or the NSC) intercepted the Russian Ambassador's call to Flynn. Normally, since Flynn is a U.S. citizen, they would have had to destroy the intercept IF there was no crime indicated. But, internally, the FBI used the Logan Act (which they probably would have never prosecuted under) to justify the Flynn WH interview. That, apparently, is where they caught him in the lie. They reported that to DoJ and Yates took it to McGahn at the WH. Subsequently, Trump fired Flynn for lying (not to himself...I don't think he could say that, since he probably ordered Flynn to contact the Ambassador in the first place) but to Vice President Pence over the content of the call. Flynn subsequently pled guilty regarding the substance of the call and his lie in the interview. Trump then pardoned Flynn for the same thing he'd fired him over.
     
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    The two are not comparable...you haven't read Geithner's explanation. They would not necessarily have to reveal a confidential settlement, particularly if it were a condition of the settlement itself. They would have to respond to a FOIA request and that would be a public record, because even a negative decision would be subject to a court order.
     
    stone6, Jul 5, 2021
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    I stand corrected. Thanks.
     
    stone6, Jul 5, 2021
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  12. Patricio Da Silva

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    Feel free to back up any allegations you make.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jul 5, 2021
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    True, because owing taxes, or being late on them, is, indeed, a civil matter.

    But decades of tax evasion goes to widespread pattern of criminal intent.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/77331/the-weisselberg-indictment-is-not-a-fringe-benefits-case/

    This is no mere fringe benefits case. It is a straight-out fraud case, claiming that the defendants kept double books: phony ones to show the tax authorities, and accurate ones to be hidden from view.

    It is not just a state and local income tax fraud case. It is also – via New York State fraud, conspiracy, and grand larceny statutes – a federal income tax fraud case. The indictment’s first three and longest counts detail a “scheme to defraud” the federal Internal Revenue Service, including through a “conspiracy” with multiple “overt acts,” and the commission of “grand larceny.

    Fraudulent double bookkeeping

    Additional overt acts to conceal the fraud


    Among many other things.....


    Again, I think not.
     
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  14. The Mello Guy

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    Did he mishandle classified intel?
    Where does the OIG say there was a plot to cover it up? How did comey cover it up?
     
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    Which of Manaforts were?
    And one of cohens was said to be directed BY trump.
     
    The Mello Guy, Jul 5, 2021
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  16. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    It was all over the news.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jul 5, 2021
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  17. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Let me guess:

    “I pled guilty in federal court to felonies for the benefit of, at the direction of, and in coordination with ‘Individual 1,’” Cohen said, reading from his prepared statement. “And for the record: ‘Individual 1’ is Donald J. Trump.” --Michael Cohen

    Probably that one.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jul 5, 2021
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    Lock two of them were...

    Stormy and the T**** tower Moscow perjury...

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ush-money-for-porn-star-daniels-idUSKCN1UD18D

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/201...chael-cohen-impeachment-mueller-buzzfeed.html

    There is much less known about the MacDougal payoff, since it involved a third party.... but there is ZERO chance the Capo wasn't at least somewhat involved....
     
    Egoboy, Jul 5, 2021
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    Forgot about the trump tower Moscow perjury! So many trump connected criminals it’s hard to keep up.
     
    The Mello Guy, Jul 5, 2021
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    Not really.... simple rule to follow... If they ever worked for T****, they likely committed criminal actions... Pre, Current, and Post WH...

    But the devil is in the details... and we have each other to keep it straight and refute the desperate gaslighters...
     
    Egoboy, Jul 5, 2021
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    Technically this is correct. However, it was a sham plea but nonetheless stayed in the court. The feds explicitly asked the court for one sentence covering all crimes because they knew that there would be no sentence for the individual "crime" of Cohen handling the non disclosure agreement for Trump and they did not want that to be made public just in case. The feds subsequently officially stopped further criminal investigation into the NDA activities (and so informed the court) in essence stating there was nothing there. Essentially Cohen was not sentenced for anything related to Trump. Cohen initially admitted to that "crime" to the feds in order to win their favor and maybe get better treatment for his uniquely own crimes for which he was sentenced.
     
    RodB, Jul 6, 2021
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    see my poet #396
     
    RodB, Jul 6, 2021
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Bold 1. Essentially, that is incorrect. The Federales stopped further criminal investigation because they couldn't indict the instigator and turned it over to the State authorities, who could (and still may).

    Bold 2. Also Essentially incorrect. He was.
     
    Egoboy, Jul 6, 2021
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    See my "post" #398 which says your poet #396 is incorrect.
     
    Egoboy, Jul 6, 2021
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    How should I know? Are you implying the WSJ and CBS News (among many other outlets) are reporting fake made up news? (Might be believable if it was the NY Times........)
     
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