Trump revealed highly classified information to Russians in meeting, officials say Pt 2

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  1. Zorro

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    So Trump says something in a private meeting with the Russians, and the leakers are going to make sure the whole world, including ISIS knows about it, with the classified information and with the source, to teach Trump a lesson? And you put your stamp of approval on that, with high-minded assurance that you have done the right thing for our National Security?

    Mind-boggling!
     
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    What Trump said in a private meeting triggered immediate phone calls to the NSA and CIA, for damage control. That means Trump did damage. This isn't the first time. When does he stop damaging my country's security, a country he swore to protect? How many more times does he get to do something stupid or say something stupid? This is not normal Presidential behavior, nor is it acceptable. Trump doesn't listen to anyone. He does what he wants, and he isn't smart enough to keep his mouth shut, isn't smart enough to listen to experience and expertise. He's a loose cannon that needs to be stopped, since he can't seem to learn the lesson. If previous efforts didn't get him to stop, and this one doesn't either, he needs to go. That gets my stamp of approval. I'm tired of my country being embarrassed and being made less safe with all this "winning."
     
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    I'd foremost suspect Israel redacted the agents name. I also doubt they'd reveal their methods. McMasters doesn't say exactly that, but close. I'd opined earlier that ISIS may have an undetectable explosive, which may be the classified nugget raising concerns. It may be that very few ISIS insiders know that. Could also be a specific target that only ISIS planners are aware of. Either eventuality may boil down to compromizing the source vs preservation of innocents. I don't think this was a slip of the tongue, or showboating.
     
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    You're welcome to speculate all you wish. The point wasn't about methods or what -ifs. The problem is Trump violated intelligence agency agreements with another country, one that was trying to help us. Trump did not have permission to share the information with any other country, but on a whim, chose to share it with Russia. Russia is an ally of Iran. Iran is Israel's enemy. Israel is the country that helped us. Contemplate the implications of that for a moment. Then extrapolate that out to whether other countries are likely to want to share classified information to us, knowing that Trump might blab it to their enemy, whether maliciously, stupidly, or just out of ego.
     
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    The Lady who kept classified information on a server, hidden in a bathroom and State Department emails on the smart phone of a guy who tweets pictures of his dork to 15 year old girls, is the better choice?

    The reason the world knows about this and the country that provided it, is because of the leaker and the press and their desire to embarrass Trump. Had only the Russians known, if ISIS found out about this from this, it's not because of Trump or the Russians as neither share intelligence with ISIS.

    How does the leaking and publishing of classified information help our national security?

    You said "It might teach him a lesson." If that's the case, then clearly those that did this, if they care about National Security at all, assumed that this was rather harmless information.
     
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    Trump bloviated and/or was played. He was not dealing with amateurs.........................Putin will eat him like a sandwich unless Putin already owns him.
     
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    Ironic: He was supposed to be the master manager and master negotiator. He has proven to be the most inept President in history.

    He is a master con man and a two-bit thug. But then us Trump haters have known that all along. That's why we hate him.

    The possibility that he is also a treasonous traitor is a surprise to even me. THAT is saying something. I didn't think it was possible to despise the man even more.
     
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    What Hillary Clinton did or didn't do is irrelevant to this latest Trump fiasco. What Trump does stands on its own, and there is no excusing his behavior. There is no rationalizing his behavior. If he can't get control of himself, he can't be my President. If he didn't learn a lesson this time, he has to go.
     
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    "We can't have someone in the Oval Office, who doesn't understand the meaning of confidential or classified" -Donald J Trump

    "I don't think it's safe to have Hillary Clinton be briefed on national security, because the word will get out" -Donald J Trump
     
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    Israel hasn't expressed anything but it's confidence in Trump in light of these allegations. It seems you may be doing as much speculating as I. Trump at some point may have to put himself at odds with US allies to further US interests. He wouldn't be breaking new ground.
     
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    I don't hate him, but I don't want him to hurt my country. I didn't support him and didn't want him to get elected, but I was willing to give him a chance. Then he started doing stupid things, saying stupid things, and now seems to have jeopardized international relationships with our allies to impress someone that isn't our ally. He is unfit to be the president. I hope the House will do the right thing for the country, but it may take until after the 2018 election to get people with backbones and patriotism to do the right thing.
     
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    It was Trump or Hillary. We knew Trump was a talented Rookie and picked him over an experienced lying flop. The Left and Media (but I repeat myself) have been on a non-stop campaign since 9pm on election night to make the case that we made the wrong choice. Now they are even leaking and publishing classified information to make the case.
    He most certainly IS your President, if you are a citizen of these United States!

    Are you fantasizing about the 25th amendment or impeachment again?

    Sad!
     
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    Don't correlate what Netanyahu says to what the Israeli people think. He has low approval. He doesn't speak for everyone in Israel any more than Trump speaks for all Americans. Israel isn't happy with Trump… and he goes to visit them soon.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/333670-israeli-intelligence-boiling-mad-at-trump-report

    http://www.newsweek.com/israeli-and-us-intelligence-services-crisis-over-trump-leak-russia-610420

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/trump-israel-secrets-238465
     
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    It only took me a few of his speeches to recognize what he is. I see it all the time in business. But by the time he was done with his calls for torture beyond even waterboarding, his calls for violence and offer to pay the bills; his calls to commit mass murder and kill the families of terrorists, his attacks on the free press, on the justice system, the intelligence community, and judges, his attacks on the election system and his willingness to create division and hatred,

    ...I knew just who and what we are dealing with. This is the guy the founding fathers warned us about. He is the enemy within. He is an enemy of the Constitution. He was what we once defined to be the enemy.

    How far this country has fallen. It wasn't like Nixon who was smart and sneaky. Trump was blunt and brutal, and you all lapped it up like hungry wolves. It has been shocking, horrifying, and a betrayal to everything that made this country great. It was a total sell out. Is was simply horrifying to watch - like some kind of Orwellian nightmare come true.
     
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    We had no idea how deeply flawed Trump was. We had no idea how closely he was linked to Putin. I didn't take a chance on Trump. I felt he was unfit for the job before he got the Republican nomination. The news is only holding up a mirror. Trump is doing his own damage.

    Patriots leak when someone is hurting the country. They did it in Watergate, and they are doing now. Bravo for them. Someone has to stop Trump from damaging the country further.

    Trump is the President of my country, but I am ashamed he is in that position. He hurts my country.

    I'm not fantasizing about anything. I want Trump out of office. He is unfit.
     
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    I'm surprised no more republicans want to see Pence take over. That would be the worst case scenario for me. Wouldn't republicans be glad they would be able to focus on passing legislation instead of probes and scandals?
     
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    I didn't lap anything up. LOL I was never a Trump fan. I just don't hate him. Don't confuse that with me being supportive of him. I am not now, nor have I ever been. I want him out of office.
     
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    Pence is complicit. There's no way he didn't know about Michael Flynn, even though he pretended not to know. Cummings wrote him a letter asking about Flynn's foreign agent status and payments from foreign countries. Pence knew and let him have access to classified information on national security anyway. He's been proven to go out and lie for the administration. He's untrustworthy.
     
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    So you point out the parallels between Trump & Netanyahu ... both of whom despite public criticism, continue to forge foreign policy, and shape / direct their intelligence agencies? Look, for 8 yrs I railed against Obamas foreign policy ... I get it. The fact is Trump hasn't driven a wedge between the US & Israel, and foreign policy isn't a subject up for debate in either country.
     
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    I'm not sure that's enough to make him complicit yet. He can always defend himself by saying he was sent out of the room on most occasions and that he warned Trump against some actions. For example, I don't think Pence is related to the Comey story so far at least. If this is the case, people like McMaster, Spicer and more would complicit too and I don't think the entire administration will be condemned.
     
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    Well, next election, if you live in PA, you will likely help decide the election.

    http://www.270towin.com/maps/20rZL

    If you can't stop Trump in PA you can't stop Trump.

    And that's why Hillary lost the election and why Obama couldn't help her:

    You go into Pennsylvania ... they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

    Obama on PA Voters: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia.

    Then Hillary threatened to take away their jobs, and you are stuck blaming Comey (until he was fired by Trump and instantly beautified) and now "The Russians!"
     
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    Yes, I do. The Tass reporter was not in the room when McMaster, Powell, Tillerson, and Trump discussed ISIS intelligence with the Russians.

    The remainder of your post is TDS.
     
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    When Obama offered to exchange data with the Russkies it was considered "treason" by the far right:



    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...from-sharing-missile-defense-tech-with-russia


    The House approved language on Thursday that would prevent the Obama administration from sharing classified information about U.S. missile defense technology with Russia.

    The language was proposed by Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) as an amendment to the 2013 Department of Defense spending bill and quickly approved by voice vote. Brooks said he proposed it as a reaction to the hot-mic conversation between President Obama and then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, in which he said he would have more flexibility on the issue of U.S. involvement in European missile defense after the November election.



    Republicans have said they fear Obama's remarks indicate he is working on some secret arrangement with the Russians, and Brooks said his amendment is meant to prevent any sharing of missile defense technology with Russia.
    "In light of recent statements by President Obama that he wanted 'more space' from the Russians in regards to missile defense, and his statement that he would 'have more flexibility' on this issue after the elections, I am concerned… that the United States's critical hit-to-kill and other valuable missile defense technology may become pawns in a political chess game of appeasement with the Russians," Brooks said.

    Brooks also said the United States should be especially wary of sharing anything with Russia, in light of comments from Russia's military threatening the nation if it participates in a missile defense system in Europe.

    "If Russia's defense staff is wiling to blatantly threaten the United States, why should the United States hand them the keys to technology that gives America's war fighter a decided advantage?" he asked.

    Rep. Michael Turner (R-Ohio) said he supports the language as a way to shape whatever agreement Obama might be working out with Russia.

    "This amendment would say, 'Mr. President, you won't tell us what your secret deal is, but that secret deal better not include sharing classified information of the United States with the Russians about our missile defense,' " he said.

    "This actually may be the most critical amendment that we will consider on this bill today," said Rep. Bill Young (R-Fla.), who chairs the House Appropriations subcommittee on defense. "There should be no secret deals on our missile defense with the Russian president or any other person not involved with the security of our own nation."

    Democrats let the amendment go without a fight, although Rep. Norm Dicks (D-Wash.) said he saw it as harmless given the unlikelihood that Obama would share classified information with Russia.

    "We don't have any problem with this amendment," Dicks said. "I would be very surprised if the administration would give any classified information to the Russian government."

    Brooks said his language is similar to language that was approved as part of the National Defense Authorization Act earlier this year. The House is expected to pass the 2013 spending bill, H.R. 5856, by Friday.





    Therefore, since everybody knows that conservatives are the most honest, most righteous, most patriotic, most authentic Americans anywhere, they all agree that there is but one solution to Trump's evil actions:




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    LOCK HIM UP!!!
     
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