Trump says Jerusalem is the capital of Israel

Best post of the week! So true!
We have to assume that every Muslim will follow the Qur'an to the letter on any given day. That makes Islam very dangerous ("I sure hope Muslims don't actually FOLLOW the book they consider the best book of all time, from god no less, or we're screwed!")

Poster "notme", a good person, and a Muslim-apologist, clearly defends Q9:29 to the end.
Muslims, like Christians, can't seem to find the moral courage to remove the barbaric/felonious parts of their religion's texts. A better way would be to think for themselves, like Modern Secular Humanists do.

 

Then many Muslims need to learn to not always be so violent.

 

What do you believe is the capital city of Israel?

First, check this nations CIA Fact book.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html

 

So, where in your world is Israels capital I can help you a lot.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html

 

This is all Obama's fault? And Clinton's? Are you serious? Was Obama also responsible for Al Qaeda and 9/11? Was Obama responsible for the first attack on the World Trade Center (1993)? How about the attacks on our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania? The attack on the Cole?

Or has this been a persistent problem for the past 65 years and no one President is to blame?

Sometimes it is really hard to believe how Trump supporters can be so blind. It seems they believe everything Trump tells them. Trump is a pathological liar.

In a very real sense, I just proved it. The crap told to us by Sam is straight out of the Trump playbook and it is all false. It can easily be argued that Bush was responsible for much of what Sam said, not Obama. Bush unleashed the fury that later became Arab Spring. ISIS has it roots in Iraq after Bush's invasion. Just something to think about, but that is a whole different matter.

 

You make up your own reality.

That is true, but I am not convinced that is to America's benefit. Our allies need M.E. oil. In case you haven't noticed, Israel doesn't have much oil.

You can't be serious. Trump just removed U.S. influence in the M.E. His unilateral decision means the U.S. cannot be impartial. As American influence wanes, Russia will move into the vacuum.

In addition, money will be pouring in from Iran, Hezbollah, and Arab sheiks sympathetic to Palestinians, which includes just about all of them, including rich Saudis, Bahrainians, and Qataris.

In the meantime people are getting killed and wounded as a direct result of Trump's foolhardy decision. But you don't care about that.

This is not helping the security of Israel. Consult your local internet. Israel is under siege. As protests grow throughout the M.E. against the U.S. and Israel, it is difficult to see how this hurts Iran, Turkey, and Syria. Their positions are stronger asTurks, Arabs and Persians join together in sympathy for the Palestinians against the U.S.

The leaders of Egypt and Saudi Arabia voiced their strongest displeasure directly to Trump. Aren't you paying attention?

 

Trump is not simply shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater, He's setting fire to it.

 

I'm a retired military officer and libertarian. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Although I was a Republican ever since I could vote and then for 38 years, they've moved so far from the Goldwater Republican Party I joined that I couldn't' support them anymore. The Democrats have also moved further from the mainstream towards the fringe, but they haven't moved as far as the Republicans...yet.

 

Nothing has worked so far for 70 years, maybe fire is the answer.

 

You could say that.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ests-trump-injured-news-updates-a8100311.html

The violence is a direct result of Trump's foolish decision made solely to fulfill a campaign promise while trying to make other Presidents look silly. In doing so, Trump made himself look like a fool ... again, a very dangerous fool.

 

Looking at the title of this thread, Trump is right. Because that is what the people in Israel say.

 

Well, we know that's not the answer, but I understand the frustration.

That 70 years has included many decades wasted on a few specific problems.

One was Arafat. He simply couldn't pull the trigger on a deal that was reasonable, though certainly included significant Palestinian concessions.

Another is Netanyahu, who has been carrying out overt ethnic cleansing in West Bank and has been carrying out war against Gaza continuously over the last decade at least.

So far, he's refused to consider ANY deal. In fact, he demanded the right to carry out ethnic cleansing DURING "peace" negotiations!!!

WTF was THAT?

 

Fire has been tried...and it only made matters worse

 

SOME people in Israel...the hard line Zionists

 

Related curiosity:

how many Muslim countries have opened an embassy c/o Palestine at Jerusalem?
[Palestine says Jerusalem is its capital, so I guess that many, if not all, Muslim countries have opened an embassy c/o Palestine at Jerusalem].

 

Trump says Jerusalem is the capital of Israel

The Serpent dictates to the world....the Jews have their Messiah.

 

From your link it says one person was killed, betcha 8 blacks was shot to death by other blacks today in Chicago alone


At least one Palestinian was killed in clashes with Israeli troops earlier on Friday and dozens wounded in “day of rage” protests against US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

 

That kind of talk causes violence.

In fact, that is what we are seeing.

But you don't care. Trump has spoken. That is a typical attitude for a Trump supporter. It is the kind of attitude that starts wars.

 

A Trump supporter said this, "And yes, the decision for the US to move its embassy is a unilateral decision. We dont need Russias permission."

I am not sure what Russia has to do with all of this, except that Russia is moving in to replace the U.S. as a broker for peace in the M.E. Trump removed the U.S. in that role when he unilaterally decided that Jerusalem is Israel's capital. This was my reply to the Trump fan.

Typical Trumpian attitude. The U.S. will do whatever it wants, to hell with everyone else. We didn't need Russia's permission. We also don't need the permission of others living in the region, and we don't need the permission of our allies and partners in the M.E. peace process.

That attitude causes America's isolation. In fact, that is exactly what is happening. Trump's approval rating has sunk to 32%, and that poll was taken before his disastrous decision. It is worse abroad.

Trump and many of his key policies are broadly unpopular around the globe, and ratings for the U.S. have declined steeply in many nations. According to a new Pew Research Center survey spanning 37 nations, a median of just 22% has confidence in Trump to do the right thing when it comes to international affairs. This stands in contrast to the final years of Barack Obama’s presidency, when a median of 64% expressed confidence in Trump’s predecessor to direct America’s role in the world.

The sharp decline in how much global publics trust the U.S. president on the world stage is especially pronounced among some of America’s closest allies in Europe and Asia, as well as neighboring Mexico and Canada. Across the 37 nations polled, Trump gets higher marks than Obama in only two countries: Russia and Israel.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26...rumps-leadership/pg_2017-06-26-us_image-00-0/

 

While I don’t agree with the turn Israel has made the last few years, I do understand their frustration for being cheated and attacked for 70 years no matter what they did. If someone shoots at me no matter what I do, then I’m going to do whatever I feel like doing. God bless America and God bless Israel. Time to end this problem once and for all.

 

It wasn’t a big enough fire.

 

Really?

They should be free to carry out ethnic cleansing in Palestine?

It's now 10 years into their war on Gaza, and they refuse to negotiate. That's a legitimate position to take?

Are you suggesting that if a foreign nation bulldozes your home you would sit buy and watch?

I really don't understand your position.

You need to explain.

Also, I'd like to hear what you "once and for all" solution is. Are you seriously thinking it would be legitimate to slaughter Palestinians? Or, are you just suggesting that Israel should get to carry out ethnic cleansing of all of Palestine?

Or, WHAT?

 

Really.

No on ethnic cleansing but your constant false accusation that I support “ethnic cleansing” tells me you are too emotional to have an adult conversation. Feel free to protest the “****ing Jooos” all you like.

 

That is insane. Most countries consider East Jerusalem, which Israel annexed after capturing it in a 1967 war, to be occupied territory, and say the status of the city should be left to be decided at future Israeli-Palestinian talks. Jerusalem is the birthplace of three major religions, not just Judaism.

Mr Trump's recognition of Jerusalem has infuriated the Arab world and upset Western allies, who say it is a blow to peace efforts and risks sparking more violence in the region.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-...-pence-shunned-by-palestine-president/9244008

Trump removed the U.S. as a broker for M.E. peace. His unilateral decision means the U.S. cannot be trusted to be impartial. Trump just made the situation in the M.E. far worse. The idea that it was a step toward peace is strictly a propaganda move by the White House and it is ridiculous. Only the most gullible would believe such nonsense.

Then again, everything coming out of the White House is ridiculous these days. After all, the resident is an admitted sexual predator, and he is endorsing a pedophile for the U.S. Senate. Combined with Trump's disastrous decision regarding Jerusalem, it is becoming extremely difficult for the White House to explain things to the American public, and that is not counting Trump troubles with the FBI and the law.

 

President Trump’s decision to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem was welcomed by evangelical voters, pro-Israel organizations and some of his biggest donors.


Though many Middle East experts warned that the decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital could inflame tensions in the area, Trump’s decision to follow-through on his campaign pledge was praised in other quarters.

Polls show that most Americans oppose moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem — 63% in one recent national poll. But evangelical Christians, who overwhelming supported Trump in the 2016 election, back the move, although more narrowly, with 53% supporting it in the same poll.

http://time.com/5052363/president-t...al-voters-pro-israel-groups-and-major-donors/

So what do we have? It just like I said two days ago. The only ones supporting Trump's decision is the same 30 to 35%, Trump's base. In other words the gullible voter who thinks Trump walks on water. Trump can do no wrong.

Read the comments from Trump supporters on this thread and a related thread, The fog of war. To a man, and woman, they support Trump's decision. They always do.