Trump sues to block Congress subpoena for his financial records

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Congressional oversight isn’t something new the dems cooked up. Can you explain how he valued a property at 300 million one year, then 25-50 million a few years later? Other than fraud of course?
     
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    They are private and if someone didn't follow the law that would be noted by having been arrested.

    Those who voted for Trump already knew Trump didn't have a criminal record prior to placing their vote, so what's the problem?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He has been. You'll notice he never claimed executive privilege this entire time, unlike when the last POTUS' AG got caught selling guns to drug cartels.

    Wanting to look at every business transaction and every bank account Trump has ever owned is, quite simply, a Stalin tactic.

    Crush them, Mr. President.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oversight of what? There was no Russian collusion. There were no indictments of anyone working with Russia.

    You don't get to open investigations into people hoping you'll find a crime you can prosecute.
     
  5. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Cohen already provided evidence. Now they conducting investigations to make sure he was honest.

    How does a properties value fluctuate by hundreds of millions of dollars up then back down? In just a few years?
    A: fraud
     
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    Says the people who use tax payer money to secretly pay off their personal lawsuits.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fat chance. His approval rating has been tanking and unless the Dems nominate someone as unlikeable as Hillary, he’s probably toast. If the GOP is smart enough to beat him in the primaries they might have a better shot.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What evidence?

    Easily. Property values are constantly argued. Ask anyone who owns property.
     
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  9. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Ahhh but what about....anything other than our crooked president!?!?!
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    By hundreds of millions?!?! Get real lol
     
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    That's actually very common.

    The property appraiser's office sets the value of a property based on many factors, primarily, the value of the land, the value of any structures on the land and the zoning of the property.

    I bought a property back in 2008 that had an appraised value of $380, the land was valued at $91K the remainder was based on the structures, a home, detached garage barn and workshop.

    The home was old and needed a lot of work and I was in no hurry to occupy the place anyhow, so I pulled a permit and demolished all of the structures, I then filed an appeal with the property appraisers office to have my property re-appraised, the new valuation was $67K based on the current value of the land and that re-appraisal saved me something like $3.5K per year in property tax's.

    My guess is Trump did something similar and in many areas and I am sure NY is the same, if one surrenders the Certificate of Occupancy to a structure, it need not be demolished to come off of the tax rolls.
     
  12. The Mello Guy

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    Well great then I’m sure he’ll produce some documents that account for a discrepancy of 250 million lol
    It went from 8 million, to 300 million then back to 25-50 million. Would make sense if built a mansion, then demolished it lol
    But he didn’t.
     
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    How many homeless sh!t on the property's doorstep? SF gated community elitists swear they're multi-million $ mansions won't be worth a plug nickel if homeless shelters can be seen in the distant horizon.
     
  14. The Mello Guy

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    Lol why go with sad non arguments? Just say you don’t care about fraud
     
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    See msg # 52 it says everything that matters.

    But how about let's do it with every member of Congress? Let's put all their tax returns out there and assign a financial forensics expert to investigate all their business and investing deals?
     
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    If the IRS, which has access to the financial disclosure forms find anything untoward they can certainly investigate and if they find something untoward and charge him it would be public knowledge. Why do you think Nadler and Neal can do a better job than they?
     
  17. The Mello Guy

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    Yah go for it lol
    Until then can we live in reality and not your fantasy?
     
  18. The Mello Guy

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    Because it was congress who caught Nixon, not the irs.
     
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    They do not oversee his private business matters they oversee his role as President. If the prosecutors find a crime they can report it to Congress.
     
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    Let me rephrase: So where is the evidence of a Federal crime that requires investigation from Congress? This all looks like State jurisdiction. If there is an investigation on-going at the State level, then Congress should wait to see what the outcome of the case. If Trump is found guilty himself, then they can impeach.

    The problem I have with what Congress is doing, is that they are demanding his tax returns but have no basis to do so. Nadler and Neal is even misrepresenting the need for his tax returns by claiming they need to provide oversight into an IRS policy that requires the IRS to review President's tax returns. It is basically saying "oh...this is not about Trump's tax returns, but it is about Trump's tax returns". Are you really ok with this?
     
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    No, I think that if evidence of wrongdoing is found in the natural order of things then an investigation can be justified, and confidentiality should be ensured unless wrongdoing is found.
     
  22. The Mello Guy

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    And if congress finds one they can repost it to the DOJ. They make lots of criminal referrals. Remember??
     
  23. PrincipleInvestment

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    What I care about doesn't influence NY state tax assessors. How about we just say that ... seein' how that's not speculation.
     
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    They have lots of basis, he may have committed bank fraud. Or lied on his financial disclosures...or both.
     
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    If you are so concerned then pull up the appraisals they are public record and by comparing the appraisals from year to year the answer will be detailed quite clearly.

    Trump may have done something a basic as bought a large shopping area that was in poor condition for pennies on the dollar, taken part of that property appealed and had it rezoned for say a highrise condo raising the value through the roof.

    Then he files to have it re-platted, isolating the high value property from the low value property and does what Trump is well known for doing, he forms a partnership with a group of investors, getting the property (and risk) off his books and onto the REIT's books, leaving him with a much lower appraised value and a much lower tax bill on the remaining property, which based on the tax rates in N.Y. I am sure can save him millions each year, while he develops plans for the remainder of the property.
     

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