Trump to ban bump stocks

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  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Which is extremely stupid as well. It's just security theater. It doesn't make you safe, it just inconviences you so you think you are safer. Same with a bump stock ban. It won't really do anything practical, it's just theater.

    Interesting that you didn't even attempt to prove me wrong. More than likely that was the only crime that was ever committed using a bump stock.
     
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    Only 69 with a rifle; 8 died before the island attack in a bombing.
     
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    And hopefully the last. I would be fine with them being heavily restricted. But I am also fine with them being banned
     
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    Ever keep up with current legislation being signed into law by governor Moonbeam in CA?
     
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    Yup.
     
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    And rubber bands, and string, and table rests with sandbags. All can be used to bump fire. I have seen a fat guy bump fire a handgun with a 30 round magazine by sticking his finger in the trigger guard.

    But its not the bump stock that is the real concern, its the language of the regulation. The language is actually false - the proposed regulation says things such as "a semiautomatic firearm to which a bump-stock-type device is attached is able to produce automatic fire with a single pull of the trigger" which is false. But they have to lie in order to fit that round peg (bump stocks) in a square hole (the NFA and GCA which define a machine gun as firing multiple times with a single trigger pull).

    Whats next? How creative will the DemocRats be when they gain control of the ATF and start expanding the bump stock precedent of lying?
     
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    How reassuring to the families of the dead in las vegas
     
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    No need for them anyways and clearly they can be used to replicate automatic fire.
     
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    "Need"? How many things do you have that you do not need?
    "Replicate automatic fire"? So can a rubber band.
     
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    And if you can use a rubber band.....then they won't miss bump stocks when they are banned. LOL
     
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    Ask Trump.
     
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    the ATF clearly doesn't feel there is a major distinction between automatic fire and virtually automatic fire.
     
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    The problem is that the way the bump stock works does not convert a semi-auto into a full-auto. The definition of full-auto is a gun that fires more than once per pull of the trigger. In the case of the bump stock, the trigger is pulled only once per pull of the trigger. It resembles full auto, but is not full auto. Words matter and mean things. If they don't, then the government can do whatever they please by making things up. The rule of law is endangered when bureaucrats can change laws, which is what Trump wants them to do. This is a danger to the Republic.
     
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    the clear intent of the law is just as relevent as the wording.
     
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    You waste your time - if the anti-gun loons cared about the truth, they wouldn't be anti-gun.
     
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    How so?
     
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    The wording is precise. Per the BATFE a few years ago, bump stocks weren't considered automatic weapons. They still aren't. If you want them to be illegal (which I do), then change the law to include specifically banning them. Until then, if a gun fires a single shot with a single pull of the trigger it is not full auto and is legal.
     
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    I'm not trying to change his mind--he doesn't have much of a sense of reality (such as his delusion of being a deputy deputy FBI director). I'm trying to teach the lurkers.
     
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    What the ATF may or may not feel about a particular topic is not relevant. What matters is how the law is written in determining what is, and is not, an automatic firearm. The definition is quite clear, and it must involve the trigger being held down continuously for multiple rounds to be discharged. The slide fire stock does not achieve this. Therefore the rate of fire and speed of discharge is meaningless. It does not matter how fast the firearm can be emptied, as the only thing that truly matters is how many times the trigger is pulled in the process. That is the long and the short of the matter.
     
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    Except the intent of the law is not what is being claimed by yourself. It is being misrepresented by yourself to support a political narrative that cannot support itself.
     
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    I agree. This is a job for congress.....not trump
     
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    While Jerry is just amazingly fast, the other fellow is biumpfiring without a stock. Can’t remember when I first saw it demonstrated back in the 80’s, but I learned to do it on command. At the time we referred to it as Rocoil Free Fire. It can be done with virtually any semi auto with no modification, including semi auto pistols. So, tell me what legislation will prevent bumpfire?
     
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    Good. You will never miss them
     

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