Trump vs. Trudeau...

FINALLY!

 

No tariffs should be done away with. Remember, China would have to do the same thing.

 

You completely ignored my first sentence. They were ready to sign a new NAFTA deal until Trump insisted on a five-year sunset clause, a poison pill that would wreck their economy.

The Bloviator-in-Chief is dicking them around and they won't play monkey to his organ grinding.

 

There is no new NAFTA deal to sign. If they want to negotiate one, they just need to begin doing so.

 

Sure, it is a view, but that is all that it is. An idea, which can never be evidenced unless you could go back and do things completely differently, economically. It is driven by a political belief, an economic belief, and lest we forget the rise of economics was tied at the hip with political beliefs and it has been that way ever since.

You own beliefs about economics, about trade, globalism is driven not by much of anything but personal beliefs which are shared by others. OTOH, I do not share this position, of beliefs, ideology, guiding my own belief system. I only look to the past, to see what created history's largest middle class. And what created the american empire and allowed us to have the industrial base to win ww2. For we could not have won it without the ability to produce by manufacturing what it takes to win any large scaled conventional war.

I can see what created history's largest middle class and the american dream, and my friend, it is not what you believe in if you are an economic globalist, but quite the contrary. I recognize the wisdom of the founders, for what they set up is responsible for the america that was able to win ww2, create a huge middle class and the american dream. Any departure from that paradigm, especially when it yields what globalism has yielded for the average american, and the devastation of the american dream and middle class has to be rejected out of nothing but logic.

I am not an ideologue, as you are, but simply a pragmatist, like FDR. If you try something and it fails, makes things worse, then you move to what you know has worked, that had positive results. But as economic globalism has been a rush to the bottom in wages, and is based upon the exploitation of the poor overseas, or mexico, in order to max out profits for the top, any rational, serious mind would reject it. And embrace what did create the largest middle class in world history even if the profits for the top were only reasonable instead of being maxed out.

That the party of FDR embraced economic globalism, the offshoring of our economy, as it is our economy that feeds our own people is only evidence that you guys are clueless, driven by nothing but ideology, but not the ideology of the old democratic party. You are in bed with the GOP, and that adds insult to injury.

 

Well if you are such a history buff, perhaps you can explain "Lend lease" and the Marshall Plan.

I see your totally independent and pragmatic perspective of how America became the the greatest, richest nation in human history. America built the middle class BECAUSE of it's outlooking vision of reshaping the world and harnessing american ingenuity, capital, work force, military might and diplomatic expertise.

But of course parochial explanations in support of American exceptionalism have always be proffered, but it seems even more so given the "justifications" that supporters of trump's simplistic transactional perspective of trade continue to raise.

 

Oh please. NAFTA is still in effect. The negotiations initiated by trump were within the framework of original agreement.

Amazing.

 

They were ready to sign until Trump moved the goal posts. I'm familiar with Canada and the U.S. (born and raised in USA, naturalized in Canada, live in both countries) and I can tell you Trump won't get a better deal by jerking them around. The more he pushes, the more concessions in the form of assurances they want. They don't trust the Bloviator-in-Chief.

 

As a Canadian I concur.

Are you surprised he is grossly ignorant of the people on the other side of the negotiating table? It is obviously a chronic condition on his part.

 

I'm no longer surprised by Trump's stupidity.

Canada should put a muzzle on Doug Ford, put him in Fedex crate, and ship him to the White House. The accompanying docs should warn what could happen if they let him out and take his muzzle off.

BTW, did you see the Supreme Court decision allowing the Law Society in B.C. to reject Trinity Western law school grads? I live part of the year in Langley, BC, the location of Trinity Western's campus.

 

Oh I wish we could ship him south. Fortunately for us, he's still a Canadian, although he does sometimes push that description into areas we neither like or accept. Ignorance and populist braggadocio know no borders its seems.

 

Just like Trump, Ford is a reaction to the average guy not getting enough attention. Brother Rob was elected by the suburbs forced into a megacity and then used as a cash cow. Progressives and moderates have themselves to blame, IMO. Cute solutions to "save the planet" like carbon taxes take quite a toll on average folks. Sucking up money to fund priorities of people who can afford to live in the city core falls into the same category.

In BC, the Greens have threatened to bring down the NDP-Green coalition if the NDP approve a natural gas development. The NDP already opposed the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion to keep the Greens happy, but that wasn't good enough. The average guy in the BC Lower Mainland is trying to get by and simply doesn't relate to saving the planet off his back.

 

Ain't that the truth. The carbon tax is an even bigger scam than the old scientific r&d tax credit scheme. But the traders are happy little pigs.

Single issue parties are the bane of multi party parliamentary systems.

OTOH, perserving/saving the planet for one's children SHOULD be a priority for parents everywhere, no?

 

Yes, but the activists have decided to oppose every new energy project even if, like natural gas, it's a transition to a different energy future, or even oil sands development that could help finance a transition to green energy. There's no rationale for their position except to throw a spanner in the works. You're either with them or against them.