Trump Warns of Possible North Korea Conflict

This anti missile system is not believed to be capable of shooting down hyper sonic missiles.
Think ballistic missiles. A SCUD and ICBM. Or even one of the latest Russian aerial torpedoes.

The big question here, is... does North Korea have anything of that capability v shipping?
It's possible they have a few. The bulk of their systems however can be expected to be hittable by USS Carl Vincent's defence.
They can still be overwhelmed of course. Still fail. But the ship does have it's own anti missile defences.

I concur that there is a real threat to it from hypersonic missile attack. But the US has carriers deployed in range of those systems right now and has done since 1945. So that won't be stopping USS Carl Vincent any more than it is stopping the other two carriers they have there.

 

I wasn't referring to the NPT, rather I was referring to the 1992 Joint Declaration, which the North entered into knowing it would violate the agreement.

Joint Declaration of the Denuclearization
of the Korean Peninsula

Signed January 20, 1992
Entered into force February 19, 1992



The South and the North,

Desiring to eliminate the danger of nuclear war through denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, and thus to create an environment and conditions favorable for peace and peaceful unification of our country and contribute to peace and security in Asia and the world,

Declare as follows;

1. The South and the North shall not test, manufacture, produce, receive, possess, store, deploy or use nuclear weapons.

2. The South and the North shall use nuclear energy solely for peaceful purposes.

3. The South and the North shall not possess nuclear reprocessing and uranium enrichment facilities.

4. The South and the North, in order to verify the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, shall conduct inspection of the objects selected by the other side and agreed upon between the two sides, in accordance with procedures and methods to be determined by the South-North Joint Nuclear Control Commission.

5. The South and the North, in order to implement this joint declaration, shall establish and operate a South-North joint Nuclear Control Commission within one (1) month of the effectuation of this joint declaration.

6. This Joint Declaration shall enter into force as of the day the two sides exchange appropriate instruments following the completion of their respective procedures for bringing it into effect.


Signed on January 20, 1992

Chung Won-shik
Prime Minister of the Republic of Korea;
Chief delegate of the South delegation to the South-North High-Level Talks

Yon Hyong-muk
Premier of the Administration Council of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea;
Head of the North delegation to the South-North High-Level Talks

http://www2.law.columbia.edu/course_00S_L9436_001/North Korea materials/koreadenuclearization.htm

 

You're referring to when President Bush withdrew nuclear weapons from South Korea. Prior to that the South had access to US nuclear weapons (in violation of the NPT) and not a peep was heard from the UN. North Korea had with drawn from the NPT in 2003 because of US violations such as positioning nuclear weapons in South Korea and US continued provocations in naval trails off the coast of North Korea.

 

The South never had access to nuclear weapons. The warheads were always under the control of US Custodial Agents.

 

Yes, US nukes in South Korea. Did you think those US nukes were there to defend the US homeland?

 

No, those nuclear weapons, which were 8"/203mm AFAPs and short-range Lance Missiles were there to prevent South Korea from being over-run by threat forces.

 

So that would mean that they were there for South Korea, right? And that would be a direct violation of the NPT regardless of who was in control of them or physical possession of them. Did you think South Korea wasn't paying for that protection (i.e. purchasing nuclear weapons) that's also a violation of the NPT.

 

No, nuclear weapons were in South Korea to prevent US forces from being over-run by the North Koreans and possibly China.

No, it wouldn't be a violation of the NPT. South Korea had no control over the nuclear weapons, which were under the control of US Custodial Agents and all times, and even if the South Koreans held the CAs at gun-point threatening them, the South Koreans didn't have access to the codes necessary to arm the weapons using the PAL system.

Surely you can produce an IAEA report showing the violations, right?

 

Exactly what US forces needed protection from being overrun that required nuclear shielding from North Korea and China. In case you hadn't noticed the Chinese have already taken Walmart (not a single nuke fired) and as McDonald says "we're loving it."

 

But that can run both ways. What if we would have gotten involved with Hitler before he took over France? I'm sure there were people who considered him and Japan a threat to us years before Pearl Harbor.

 

Originally, the 2nd Infantry Division and the 7th Infantry Division (until withdrawn in 1971), plus Marine units and Air Force units.

[QUOTE="Diamond, post: 1067438654, member: 73816"In case you hadn't noticed the Chinese have already taken Walmart (not a single nuke fired) and as McDonald says "we're loving it."[/QUOTE]

In case you hadn't noticed, we're discussing the period 1958 to 1991, when nuclear weapons were present in South Korea under the control of US Forces.

McDonald's did not open in China until 1992 (in Beijing).

Still waiting for those IAEA reports on NPT violations.

 

Gotta love them alternate realities. Can I get some Bar-B-Q sauce with that

 

There is a big difference between "South Korea is not allowed to possess nuclear weapons" and "Nuclear weapons used by the USA to protect South Korea".

 

Really, what's that big difference?

 

Trump is a President who negotiates like a CEO which is a good thing.

North Korea is a problem but not from a Nuclear aspect but rather by the fact the North has ten's of thousands of artillery pieces along the DMZ that can devastate the South Korean capital of Seoul as well the North has dug underground tunnels under the DMZ to allow many hundreds of thousands of North Korean troops to quickly enter the South Korean City and it would be a real pain to get them out.

HOWEVER.....the U.S. and South Korea have contingency plans of our own.

We can fly in B-2 and F-22 Stealth Aircraft and wipe out the tunnels and artillery before the North even knew what was happening.

A follow up by B-1B's and B-52's as well as Navy strikes would bring the North to it;s knees.

But there would be a cost.

China want's to get the North under control as fast as possible which is good for us.

But Trump is doing what needs to be done.

AA

 

Um.....who actually HAS the nuclear weapons.

 

Is this like a "parental control" issue to you? Because the NPT doesn't work like that.

 

Um what?

 

Have you ever read the NPT?

 

Nothing alternative about it. President George H Bush ordered the withdraw of all tactical nuclear weapons from Korea (and elsewhere in 1991, and the first McDonald's in China opened April 1992:

On April 23, 1992, the largest McDonald's restaurant in the world opened in Beijing. With 700 seats and 29 cash registers, the Beijing McDonald's served 40,000 customers on its first day of business.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/w/watson-arches.html

Still waiting for those IAEA reports.

 

Um, yes, but that has to do with THEM, not US.

 

You cannot be this naive?

AA

 

You can't be this dumb.

If we have the nuclear weapons in our possession and under our control, they are not SK nuclear weapons so its not a violation of any treaty.

Move on.

 

Those nukes never should have been there in the first place. When the Russians did that back in 1963 down in Cuba it kicked off the Cold War and it was the closest we ever have been to a nuclear war with another nuclear State. I understand members of the Security council just do as they please because they are the only enforcement of International law that exists. However, when their economy drops out from under them (like it did do I Russia back in the 1990s and will soon do here in the US) the sanction option is on the table. God help the USA when the Yen replaces USD as the global currency, because we're long over due for a in lesson of humility.

 

Did you support the pot-head, the womanizer, or the little boy during the 2016 election? I'm just trying to wrap my head around what you think is dumb.