Trump withdraws from Trans-Pacific Partnership amid flurry of orders

Sanders staunchly opposes the TPP, so do all the union bosses and union members, even Hillary came around. Jeez, you libs/progs have no idea what you believe in any more, besides transgender bathrooms of course

 

Excellent job Trump.

Had Obama done this the left would be praising him.

The left cares not what is done, only who does it.

 

Why would they if they can't sell their goods here due to high "border taxes"?

 

How many more red flags do we need? I know. It's too late now.

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The irony is so thick

 

I'm against Trump on Tariffs. Mainly because tariffs do increase the cost of doing business and thus pricing ratio. Trump is a Real-Estate investor, not really a businessman per say. His knowledge is probably mostly on the real-estate market(propping up things and selling them), not really in terms of complexities of the financial market.

If it were me, I'd focus more on the renegotiation aspect of it, with the goal of basically minimizing our losses across the board. A loss is acceptable, after all not every country will accept 50/50(even though that'd be the ideal.) What you want to do is weigh your losses against your successes(more success than loss), and you want to keep the ratio of your losses in an acceptable range(like 47/53). So that way, as a whole, your balance should be positive.

All a trade war would do, is increase our deficits while still not fixing the hollow industrial development that we've lacked.

 

Exactly what manufactured products that are manufactured in the USA do we export to Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Brunei, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Chile and Peru ?

Start listing them, don't include empty cargo sea containers that are considered an export today. Are you aware that the largest # 1 export from America are empty cargo containers ?

Kinda like TTIP, (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) the Europeans were celebrating in the streets while Muslims groping their women that there would no longer be a tariff on Levi jeans. The thing is, 99% of Levis are no longer made in America today.

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Yes because we had no dealings with those countries before this cluster (*)(*)(*)(*) of a "treaty" started.. /facepalm

 

There's a good reason those things are not manufactured here. Do you think manufacturing goods here will make them cheaper to consume?

 

Strangely enough when we were an industrial giant we did fine.. How can this be by your fearmongering standards?

 

What a reversal. R's now cheering with unions. This is the 1st in my lifetime.

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Well that didn't last long.

 

This "R" is a former Teamster so much for that stereotype.. Now what?

 

Not cheaper to consume. But more consumers to consume.

 

Trackersam is a former teamster?

 

Are you saying a lowering tide sinks all boats?

 

How is keeping a larger, better paid workforce at home, lowering all tides?

 

No i am do you have an issue with that as it runs contrary to your post?

 

Nope.

But I want quality not cheap inferior low quality stuff and I pay more for quality.

Not to long ago I went on Amazon and bought a pair of boondockers for $80. -> http://www.goldenfoxfootwear.com/golden-fox-6-boondocker-work-boots.html Chi-com knock offs. Poor quality, they wont last more than a year, They can't even be resoled or reheeled.

I wanted the real McCoy, made in the USA. I found them -> http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/newusmcboondocker.html At $250 and they will last me five years before I have to have the boots resoled and good for another few more years.

Don't know how old you are AKS and if you're old enough to remember what quality is. Thirty or more years ago you bought a pair of Levi's 105's or 511's and they were stiff as cardboard. You had to wear them for a week and then run them through the washing machine and wear them for another week and wash them again. After six washes the Levis were broken in. Todays Levis last you about six washes.

 

Because the cost of living MUST go up also.

 

If both rise the same, all is good.
Just like jobs leaving reduces workers pay even as prices drop. Those without jobs or less pay may not be better off with cheaper prices.

 

This is where your little fantasy starts to fall apart. There is no job shortage. I get job postings in emails daily. If anything there is a worker shortage. This topic is just like anything else, those who can produce for the cheapest do and those who can't go away.

 

IMO you are correct in much of this, but I believe that keeping more jobs in the US will keep us more self sufficient and also more able to evolve worker opportunities in new directions. The main thing is to give the bottom 50% opportunities to be contributing members of our society and for them to continue being sufficiently work oriented and skilled to be able and willing to take advantage of new work opportunities as they emerge. But preserving a decent manufacturing infrastructure is also important

IMO the most successful societies in the future will be two tiered ones, like China, which has seemed to me to have had the good sense to protect its organic, traditional methods of agriculture and lifestyles even as it develops modern infrastructure for its cities.
People have the right to maintain traditional, "primitive" lifestyles if they wish to, and such pockets of differing cultures and traditions help a society to be much more resilient in emergency situations where more "modern" systems fail. Witness our own organic farm movement and even the desire of many now to keep small flocks of chickens in our cities. However,people who wish to develop low-tech, organic solutions still need ways to make some cash income--and we need to be encouraging this development in our own population, not just abroad.

An excessive focus on foreign trade deprives our own people of the opportunity to fulfill some needs with lower-tech solutions--eg luffa sponges made from locally grown gourds instead of exotic materials, or greenhouse-grown tomatoes instead of ones imported from South America. Additionally, although some have become attracted to subsistence farming, that might not be enough to help the rest of us in emergency situations.

We can't count on a positive balance in foreign trade indefinitely, in any case...witness our trade imbalance with the Chinese. Do you really want us to become like the African nations that indebted themselves simply to obtain decent clothing fabrics from the nations with higher technologies? As we continued to export our manufacturing technology, that would be the nature of the final outcome.

Additionally, I believe in a certain amount of competition, but I have no problem with China stepping into a role it has so obviously earned. Why do we feel we need to block them?

[I also don't feel the West should block a mostly land-bound country like Russia from having a few decent year-round seaports. (and IMO Soros and whoever in the Dem admin should not have destabilized the Ukraine just to allow things like Monsanto to go in there and disturb their well-preserved agricultural land..even our VP' son was given some sort of task over there). Etc.]

Other countries are able to act maturely and rationally, too; sometimes, more rationally and maturely than we do. If we insist on dominating, it can be felt as a win by other countries to violate even sensible fish conservation methods, for example. However, if China is able to fully control their own ocean fisheries, do you really believe they would allow those fish to be fished to extinction? Ditto for the Japanese, who presently roam the earth even exterminating Dolphins.

Let people have what is theirs, and take responsibility for it.

 

$10/hr taking place of $25/hr jobs. Means less will be consumed.

 

Trade blocs do not promote free trade. They restrict trade with those outside the bloc.

You don't need to give up sovereignty to some multilateral organization to have free trade. You simply need to stop arresting those who trade with other nations. This is much easier when you abolish regulations.

Abolish all Federal regulations.

 

It means we will not lose jobs to 56 cents an hour labor in communist Vietnam. It means we will not lose more sovereignty. It means the power of the Virtual States are being reeled back in. It means out banking cartel and MNCs will not have this slave labor to exploit for greater profits.

Trump is breaking tradition and keeping his word. Unheard of. Hillary supporters hate it. For she would have signed TPP, for she lied about being against it. She had to pay back her big donors. Our new robber barons created these offshoring jobs trade agreements to benefit only themselves by exploiting the world's poor for cents on the dollar wages. They cannot buy what they make, so our markets become the host of the parasites...our elites.

 

This would have to be the most delusional concept on this thread. Don't get me wrong I can see where you’re coming from but you pointed out your failure to understand the ability of people who are poorer to buy this product.

Obviously, you do not realise that many people need to weigh up the option of the purchase of work boots and all the other cost of living items.

If we considered that the only work boot anybody in the US could buy was these then the poorer may be only able to afford $80 a year or even half year before they have to decide how many meals they need to cut to buy the higher quality boot.

Forget the fact that by reducing the competition will not only force the price up but will allow the makers and sellers to gouge the market pricing those less fortunate out of being able to buy ANY boots. How does it force the price??? If you take out of the market alternative products you increase the demand on what is left. I am sure you know basic economics so that pesky supply and demand curve is no stranger.

Clearly, what you may or may not be able to buy others just dream about. You have to understand that you are not at the bottom of the poorer demographic if you can consider paying far more for your product in consideration of quality. Many just have to make do…