Trump's 2nd Senate Impeachment Trial Begins Tuesday

Heh, if only it worked like that. Take cue from some of our own posters - they believe the rioters weren't leftists, and weren't there for leftist causes. They just deny deny deny any possible connection.

 

Yeah...you're probably right. I would expect both his mental and physical health to begin to decline, with everything he is now facing.

 

Actually, I'd expect his physical health to get marginally better over the next couple of years. Golfing with a cart for 3 hour speed rounds certainly isn't much exercise, but he will be getting plenty of fresh air and Vitamin D, and golfing does keep the body somewhat limber (it does for me anyway).... Perhaps his spray tan won't be as needed??

Of course, I'd expect many months in various courts will cut into that mental, emotional and financial health, but that's another story.

Pee break at the impeachment (much needed with that many old bladders). What must Jon Ossoff feel sitting with contemporaries of his grandparents??

Still waiting for the "new evidence" and the Raffensperger call to be introduced...

 

Pelosi and Dems boxed themselves in imo. They claim Trump did something very serious, that, if true, warrants death as punishment.

So basically, in 4 years, if Trump is not in jail or executed, Pelosi, Biden, the Dem controlled Congress, attorney general etc., are:

A) incompetent fools who had 4 years to hold to account the man who committed the greatest crime against the our republic since the Civil War, and failed, or,

B) liars who made baseless claims in order to misuse their constitutional powers to help them politically.

We will see how it plays out. I'm betting zero jail time for Trump for insurrection, and I'm going with option B for the reason.

 

Guess you haven't been watching the trial.

 

I suggest "GlobalCitizen" does a little more research into the American System of jurisprudence...

Only one of those 4 groups in bold has any say on a legal course against T**** for January 6th...

I'll give you 2 guesses and I'd still bet you get it wrong...

 

Again, there will be zero jail time for Trump. Considering the gravity of the alleged crime, we as a people, in a few years, must ask ourselves why? The answer will be either option a or b as indicated above. Tty in a couple of years; maybe you can bookmark this post to throw in my face if Trump IS in jail...FOR INSURRECTION.

 

This only brings shame to them. Americans are a tolerant, but certainly a discerning people with a very strong sense of justice. We know the denials, yet we see with our own eyes. Do not think that the overall silence of the American People indicates surrender or a lack of resolve, it simply is a measure of our patience, which, while vast is not endless. We will not be stripped of our rights. Do not doubt your fellow citizens. Res ipsa loquitur – The thing itself speaks

 

The fact remains, Dems have accused someone of the greatest crime against our country since the Civil war. Clocks ticking on the follow through. If Biden's justice department fails to hold this criminal to account under the law, then they are either incompetent or liars. Good luck.

 

Thanks... keeping my fingers crossed too....

 

I'll type more slowly and in BIG letters

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CONSTITUTION

This means who, why and does NOT include private citizens for the purpose of a legal sanction and denial of rights.

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Ah...a caveat..."FOR INSURRECTION." What about a related crime...such as sedition? Everything has its own probability. I'd say there is a better than 50-50 chance, regardless of what happens in the Senate trial, that he'll be indicted by a Grand Jury for his acts on January 6th and convicted. Will he be imprisoned? Could be. But, additional evidence has to be found.

 

Don't hold your breath. What you just responded to is what is supposed to happen when such a major crime is committed. It is clear that there is nothing motivating these Congressional members, or Biden, or his justice department to ensure such a major crime is punished under the law. No such punishment can come from these impeachment proceedings.

 

I'm going on a limb and saying no jail for anything associated with Jan 6. The caveat is meant to CMA in case they get him on financial or sexual crimes, which would not relate to the wrong Pelosi is committing here.

 

Suggest you take your gripe up with the pros...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/legal-scholars-federalist-society-trump-convict-461089

I'm sure your rock solid argument, that they've never considered, will convince...

Cool... Ted Lieu just said "p*ssy" on National TV... Why can't I type that word on PF.com then?

 

They are wrong. The purpose of impeachment is the removal from office so that the LAW can hold the offender to account. Once the offender has left office, then you don't need impeachment to use the law to hold them to account, just use the law.

And as so many have pointed out, the Constitution says the Chief Justice "shall" preside over the trial. The fact that he is not should raise eyebrows by itself.

 

Oh... well.... thanks for clearing that up...

I'm going Eastern European??

 

OK...how do you account for Trump's demand that Pence break the law? Then to send the mon down to the Capitol to encourage Pence to do so?

 

This presentation from Plaskett is by far the best of the day....

Setting up the pre-meditation and probability of violence...

Way more powerful than just showing the Stop the Steal tweets.

I had actually forgotten about that Texas bus incident...

 

I'm sorry, does what I say strike you as nonsensical? The purpose of impeachment of the POTUS is removal from the office of highest law enforcement officer so that is even possible for a law enforcement officer to physically arrest the culprit.

That makes much more sense than these word gymnastics going on.

 

There was no law for Pence to break, therefore impossible to encourage him to do so.

Ok let's play your game. Let's say that Trump was successful in convincing Pence to not open, and then certify the electors' votes. What then? I'll tell you: nothing. Because it's purely a symbolic act. We have the internet and hispeed communication. We don't need Pence to open that envelope and count the votes. We already knew the count. Biden was going to be inaugurated no matter what Pence did that day. The operative phrases in the Constitution that can actually change political outcomes reference the election are the CHOOSING of the electors and the VOTING of said electors. The signing, sealing, transmitting, etc. verbs are symbolic or clerical and in of themsrlves, if not performed, have zero chance of changing the political outcome.

So yes, although the Capitol riot was an affront to our senses and brought out the worst in humanity, you were lied to as to the level of threat the action actually represented to our democratic system.

 

So...although Trump called for the rally and then lied to the crowd regarding Pence's powers, asking them to march on the Capitol based on that lie, you don't feel that was incitement? And, oh yeah, there IS a law that Trump was asking Pence to break. It's Title 3 U.S. Code Paragraph 15, "Counting Electoral Votes in Congress."

 

This sounds like the same rambling from Trump's attorneys. Have no clue what it means nor it's relevance to the topic

 

Then it achieved its primary purpose....

 

Don't want to sandbag my own thread, but they are in a break so I am too..

Didja see this video of Kamala from Saturday?

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/kamala-harris-runs-lincoln-memorial-steps-123736403.html
https://www.instagram.com/p/CK9vTHTHuPx/?utm_source=ig_embed

Freaking awesome, but is this REALLY a great idea at this time??