Trumps Blasts Russian-German Gas Pipeline that will Enrich Russia at NATO meeting

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  1. bx4

    bx4 Well-Known Member

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    Trump is destabilising NATO and western alliances. He is doing exactly what Putin wants. Putin couldn't ask for more.
     
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    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He's such an ignorant lying moron.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Getting opposition research from an American company isn't against the law. Getting it from a foreign Govt is. Notice the difference?


    Shifting the goal posts now are we.


    I never said I had any evidence of collusion. I said, repeatedly (I find I have to do this a lot. You'd think you and others would actually read what I write), that I don't think there is an active deal to collude between Trump and Putin. Why is that so hard to understand?

    For what? Paying a Washington based firm for opposition research? How is that collusion?


    There are hundreds. That's the point. Again, how many have to exist before you wonder if their is a fire at the base of all that smoke? How come nobody seems able to answer this one question. How many instances are necessary (numerical value please)?

    No, Carter Page actively tried to sell information to a Russian Agent and was under investigation by the FBI for it. Add that to Manaforts ties, Cohens ties, Donald Jr and their meetings, and suddenly there are a lot of ties to the Russians.

    Now, can we continue this discussion without the constant 'collusion'? I've already said that I don't believe there is a collusion deal between Trump and Putin yet you seem to be laser focused on that and are disregarding everything else.

    Accused, yes. Evidence, that's Muellers dept, not mine.

    Only if you share. mmmmm. K now i'm honestly going to go home and pop up a bowl tonight.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong.

    There has been no one associated with Trump accused of a crime involving Russia-Trump.

    Zero. Not one.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Alright, I admit I'm impressed by your linguistic tap-dance. You are correct that noone specifically associated with Trump has been accused of any specific crime involving Russia/Trump.
    Kudos.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, you're not getting off that easy.

    You see that's the thing that irritates me the most.

    Someone comes in and starts trying to allude that there is some criminal behavior that is obvious with all the arm waving and ridiculous charges being thrown around by Manafort, and saying "well there must be something there".

    There's not. There never has been. There was nothing there to ever BEGIN an investigation.

    If there's ZERO evidence of a crime.....why do we have an investigation?
     
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    Again we see, front and center, the way trumpers view trump. You MUST agree with him all the time and defend him no matter how idiotic the claim.
     
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    So who does Trump think should pipe gas to Germany?
     
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    Oh I dunno. NORWAY maybe?
     
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    Yeah. Attacking the Russian-German pipeline is exactly what Putin wants.

    As well as the MISSILE DEFENSE SHEILD Trump installed in Poland, Putin's backyard.

    As well as selling ANTI-TANK weaponry to the Ukraine, which Putin is thrilled about, I'm sure.

    As well as bombing Putin's closest ally, Syria, including Russians there.

    The US being forced to bear the BRUNT of NATO, while Germany enriches Russia by buying its energy from them, IS EXACTLY WHAT PUTIN WANTS.
    He liked gaining control of 20% of our uranium reserves a lot, too. Now, who did that, again?
     
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    So who does Trump think should pipe gas to Germany?
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No tap dance. The PLAIN FACTS.

    The Grand Buffoon is investigating ANYTHING BUT the 2016 Election, OBVIOUSLY.
     
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    Psst. Norway.
     
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    Because it is obvious that there are shady connections between Russia and Trump, and have been for a long time. It's only because he is the POTUS that people actually give a crap.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are those exact same connections between every major DC politician and Russia.

    Clinton's ties to Russia are MASSIVE.

    I could take your PBS spreadsheet and link Kevin Bacon to Putin.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, Carter Page never tried to sell information.

    Some Russians tried to use him as a source, the FBI had a meeting with Page to tell him about the Russians, he met again with Russians, Russians got arrested, Carter did not.

    What do you think that means.
     
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    He is also busy poop tweeting, so I think he can find the time.
     
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    How do you know this?
     
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    No one.

    Who thinks Germany should stop talking out of both sides of its mouth, and START paying what it agreed to for its own defense?

    Nice to see you supporting Putin's power expansion...just LIKE former Pres. "Have 20% of our uranium reserves, Vlad," Obama... and now here you are undercutting the Ukraine , as well, to enrich Putin.

    Germany is helping Putin marginalize the Ukraine, and the only person with the balls to call them on it , is Pres.Trump.

    Ukraine crisis is about Great Power oil, gas pipeline rivalry

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...e-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines
     
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    By reading.

    http://www.newsweek.com/was-carter-page-spy-russians-or-us-802770

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ne_of_carter_page_s_contacts_with_russia.html

    January to June 2013. Page meets and gives documents relating to U.S. sanctions against Russia to Victor Podobnyy, an alleged Russian intelligence operative in New York City. Page provides documents to him from January to June. Podobnyy served as an operative for Russia’s external intelligence agency while officially claiming to work at Moscow’s U.N. Mission in New York, although Page believed he was a Russian businessman. Page later told BuzzFeed that their interactions did not include anything sensitive.

    Court documents show that Podobnyy tried to recruit Page (“Male-1”) “as an intelligence source.” Pobodnyy did not seem impressed with Page, labeling him an “idiot,” but one whose eagerness to garner lots of money could make him useful. Podobnyy claimed to have offered to connect Page with Russian trade representatives in exchange for documents about U.S. sanctions against Russia.

    2014. According to later reporting by CNN, the FBI begins monitoring Page's communications under a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant, owing to his 2013 contacts with Russian operatives.*

    Jan. 23, 2015. The U.S. government charges Podobnyy and two other Russian operatives for acting as unregistered agents of a foreign government, after it had broken up a Russian spy ring aimed at seeking information on U.S. sanctions. Federal prosecutors include the Russian intelligence effort to recruit Page as part of the government’s evidence.
     
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    So, according to page, page did not sell info to Russians. Okay.
     
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    Its actually pitiful that you still think Russia got 20% of US uranium.

    Germany needs the gas... The US doesn't pipe natural gas to Europe..

    This is theater, Grok...
     
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    Was Page arrested?
     
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    No, but that doesn't mean he won't be.
     
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