Trump's new immigration ban ... again rediculous BS!

But he did ban visas from Iraq for 6 months. A Muslim ban.

 

Really? A ban against temporary ban against 1 single country which felt right at this time in deep trouble and which was nearly overrun by ISIS offensive is of course the same as this ban against 6 countries, eh?

Right these people who defended like you this idiotic ban before when Iraq was included and when there were 7 countries, reasoned this idiotic ban particularly with Iraq = dangerous country and center of ISIS. Now Trump puts off Iraq and you as well all other who defend this idiotic ban fell about Iraq in deep silence instead questioning why Iraq is put off! This is pure ignorance and hypocrisy!

But let's take a closer look at these 6 so bad and dangerous countries in detail, OK?

Sudan
The North is deeply Islamic and of course home of terrorists. But we have a problem ... There 2 Sudan existing! Is the Christian South on list too or only the Northern Islamic part?
Which terrorist of all attacks in Europe and the USA since 9/11 came from Sudan? None!

Libya
After France and the US had interfered in the civil war against Gadhafi and had supported with their incredible stupidity everything with weapons, which even struggles against Gadhafi, the country was abandoned after Gadhafi's death! Mission accomplished! Quite stupid, if one has previously supplied with its stupidity Islamic extremists with weapons, or has closed all eyes, if Qatar also did this and then excites aghast, if exactly this extremists (which are ISIS too btw) then the country mix up, kill the US ambassador and change to be homeland for ISIS, Al Qaida & Co. Sure, to check any Libyan who will enter the USA thoroughly first is more as justified, but the US must be deeply ashamed of why the country belongs to the list and a ban hurts all innocent too!
Which terrorist of all attacks in Europe and the USA since 9/11 came from Libya? None!

Syria
I think I do not have to say anything about the situation in Syria, which is more than known. However, the US has also done its best with others such as Turkey, for example, that this country became the chaos country, which is now. Here too, the worst extremist groups were supplied with weapons (albeit more from Turkey than from the US) because they are fighting against Assad. One example is the old Al Nusra front ... now somehow different named.
Anyway ... Millions of Syrians fled out of the country and they were Muslims and Christians ... and this makes the ban ridiculous when it is reasoned to make USA safer against Islamic Terror. A Christian is for sure an Islamic Terrorist, eh?
More as that ... to prevent that any ISIS scum enters the USA, it is very smart and shows the total lack of knowledge to ban all Muslims too. ISIS is only Sunni confession and they kill all other Muslim confessions same way as Christians! So any Alewi is for sure an ISIS terrorist!
And when Europeans are able to detect hidden Sunni ISIS scum within the refugees who tell to be Alewi, why is the US not able? More likely not being willing to do so, eh?
Which terrorist of all attacks in Europe and the USA since 9/11 came from Syria? 2 ... TWO!

Yemen
Yemen is a totally messed up country as we all know and here are all known terror groups not only existing, they fight each other like mad too. Known that ISIS is in war with Al Qaida and any Shiite terror / rebel group?
Aside this is Saudi Arabia doing its best under the cover of this phrase "War against terror" its best to mess up it's Southern neighbor to prevent Iranian influence! Interesting when the US and others blame like mad Russia for whatever done in Syria bad, but closing all eyes about that KSA does the same in Yemen.
Anyway ... ban can be reasoned so far, but which terrorist of all attacks in Europe and the USA since 9/11 came from Yemen? None!
There are only few Yemenite refugees at all too...

Somalia
A total messed up country since the 1990's and we all remember "Black hawk Down" maybe ... and I do for sure, because I served in Somalia at UN mission too. Piracy, Islamic terror, civil war and so on ... Somalia is as state not really existing. Outside Mogadishu has government not much to say if at all. After the UN mission of 1990's failed, this country was forgotten and rose in interest only when Piracy grows and hurts sea routes!
Somalia has again and again famine problems due to the constant war and law less situation. A ban can be reasoned but is nonsense at least, because any Somali who wants to enter the USA is monitored and checked since over a decade thoroughly first!
Which terrorist of all attacks in Europe and the USA since 9/11 came from Somalia 1 ... ONE ... and it is under dispute if this was really a terror act or only an act of an mentally ill person!

Iran
Iran and the USA are since 1979 hostile as we all know. Even we can discuss endless about reasons and who did here what all bad on both sides, any Iranian who wants to enter the USA is since 1979 thoroughly checked first due to these hostilities! So why the ban please?
More as that ... Any evil agent / spy of the Iranian intelligence agency who wants to make an evil terrorist attack will surely pass with an Iranian passport! Man ... how stupid can one be to believe this BS of Trump? There are no Morons with the Iranian secret service experts, who have taken it for 40 years with the concentrated power of CIA, NSA and FBI!
Iran supports terrorists, specifically and directly, the Hezbollah? Right, that is correct! Only those who want to defend this ban that it prevents any Hezbollah Terrorist to come into the USA shows real stupidity! Hezbollah is not in Iran, but in Lebanon.

Which terrorist of all attacks in Europe and the USA since 9/11 came from Iran? None ... but it is estimated that they were involved in an incident in the Balkans, but not yet clear if true!

 

You'll have to talk to congress and the last administration why they labeled these countries as hotbeds of terrorism.

 

No he didn't!

 

Don't you have a mind of your own?

 

You just don't like facts.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qa...terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

 

You mean like ignoring the previous admins own classifications? You think Obama was wrong?

 

You mean this Republican led Congress?
And btw ... these are things, which you can ask many decades back to several administrations!

 

Actually you should look at your facts. Firstly, refugees do not come over on Visas. Secondly Obama stated that refugee applications should be scrutinized more. Here contains a graph showing iraqi refugees entering into the US from 2005 to 2015. Perhaps you can point out which month had zero refugees entering?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mparing-trumps-and-obamas-immigration-restri/

Thirdly, Obama only addressed refugees. Tourists were not stopped. No flights were stopped

 

Like the Obama led admin that agreed and added 3 more.

 

The current law does not stop current visa holders and is temporary, a slowdown.

 

Well I think it's not a very well thought out argument if you are trying to make some sort of "Constitution->Religious Freedom->...Muslims!" type construct. We've had religious based immigration policies before; the Jackson=Vanik amendment fast tracked Jews and Evangelical Christians from the Soviet Union as refugees during the cold war. I don't recall anyone making an argument that law violated the constitution. If you are arguing that no refugees should ever be accepted or declined for religious reasons that certainly takes a big chunk out of the refugee population.

The reason why those 6 countries were on that list compiled during the Obama administration was because their governments couldn't vet their own people and they had active terrorist training camps. The "underwear bomber" was trained in Yemen and for all we know, terrorists are still being trained there.

However, I'm perfectly open to Germany taking every single Somali or Yemeni who wants to leave their crappy countries. By your argument, if your country refuses, you'll be religious bigots. So enjoy!

 

So you argue that squashing freedom of speech is OK. Well, it sounds barbaric to me but I don't want to interfere in your primitive customs.

 

All very well, but what has this got to do with my post you responded to or your assertion that Obama banned Visa (applications) from Iraq for 6 months?

 

So, the country that was home to the 9/11 terrorists, home to Osama and home to what is thought to be the majority of terrorist funding - Saudi Arabia - isn't even mentioned

 

Many Asians in the United States are elites from their countries, but that's not true with most Hispanics who outnumber Asians by a wide margin.

 

What did Hungary do which was so bad?

How dare Hungary step up to the plate against the Islamists.

 

Not by congress or the previous administration due to their importance to the US in the ME.

 

The majority of Homicides in the United States are carried out by African Americans.

 

I always return to the idea that vetting is reliant on effective governance. Without effective host nation governance, vetting is best guess, or more likely, unavailable in any form.

Assuming that we have any ability to address any reasonable functional vetting from some of these nations is simply impossible to accomplish at this time. In it's absence, what progressive 'merika' are asking of us is to suspend rational inspection of future resident aliens to satisfy their outrage at losing an election.

 

So, Germany is still a virtual totalitarian state?

 

How will Germany survive as we know it if it gets 1 million Muslim refugees a year?

Hitler really goofed up on his racial theories.

I mean Hitler thought of Eastern Europeans as weak idiots.

But, considering the Western European support for multiculturalism, to their own demise, this would say otherwise.

Even the Germans most like Eastern Europeans such as Austrians, and East Germans have more fight in them.

 

HOW DEMOCRATS BROUGHT A MUSLIM CHILD MOLESTER TO AMERICA
Another young victim of the Left’s war against common sense immigration security.



Kashmir’s idea of showing love to children was very different than that of Saranac Lake. Tanveer Hussain would be charged with molesting a 12-year-old girl who was a student at the school. Based on her age there is a high probability that she had been one of the children writing letters on his behalf to Schumer and Gillibrand. One of the children smiling cheerfully in the photos with the alleged Muslim abuser.

The adults who led her community should have protected her. Instead they betrayed her.

When Abid told Mayor Clyde Rabideau that his visa had been denied, he was furious. “This will not stand. Do not give up! We will do all we can,” he assured Khan.

The transcript appeared on the Facebook page of Saranac Lake Trustee Rich Shapiro. Mayor Clyde Rabideau created a GoFundMe campaign that raised $1,625 for Hussain and Khan’s travel expenses and had provided regular updates and encouragement for the fundraiser. Now all mentions of Hussain have vanished from the mayor’s page. But Hussain’s page still shows him with his arm around his benefactor.

After Hussain was arrested for abusing a little girl, Shapiro bailed him out and hosted him at his house.

Shapiro is a vocal opponent of President Trump. President Trump had tried to keep the likes of Hussain out of America. The president had tried to protect a little girl in Saranac Lake from being molested.

Rich Shapiro instead tried to protect Hussain from being photographed by putting his hands in front of the camera. And that too is the choice we all face. Some of us protect little girls. Others protect the likes of Hussain.



http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266046/how-democrats-brought-muslim-child-molester-daniel-greenfield

Horrible! Just Horrible!

 

Before 1964 in the U. S., it was possible for politicians and "public officials" to threaten those who criticized them with lawsuits for libel, political pressure, and other means of coercion. Then, a famous court case called "New York Times versus Sullivan" brought the ruling that public officials could be criticized. If Kanzlerin Merkel can threaten to have her critics thrown in prison, then it sounds to me like Germans need their own version of "New York Times versus Sullivan", and, you need very much to get RID of Merkel!

I love Germany! I've spend quite a bit of time in your home city of Köln, as well as many other parts of Deutschland. Immigrants to Deutschland or any other country should be allowed on the basis of MERIT (nützlichkeit, leistungsfähigkeit?) and the likelihood that they will contribute something of benefit to the country they are migrating to!

Look objectively at the horrible situation that Merkel's influx of "immigrants" has brought to your city! German women cannot even walk down a city street at night without being sexually assaulted by violent, crazed Muslim men who have no idea how to behave in a civilized country?!

Look at what has been done to Bayern, particularly the area around Garmisch-Partenkirchen! Do you really want MORE of this? In America most of us are sick of it! Why do Germans continue to make themselves feel such guilt over World War II, over seventy years ago, that they feel they must allow the sewer pipes of the world to be emptied in YOUR country...? Schweineri? Sauerei? Ihre wahl...?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...help-tackle-explosive-refugee-crime-wave.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...omen-on-new-years-eve/?utm_term=.85b016652d0f

And, the little violent Muslim "Christmas present" to Germany: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rket-tunisian-man-detained-german-prosecutors . Thank God for the police in Milan, Italy!

 

I would urge the good German People to end all entry by person's from countries where it is legal to beat your wife: