Tulsa cop Betty Jo Shelby found not guilty in death of Terence Crutcher

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  1. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    please point out were the word should is in my post
    it isn't should be used it is what is used to determine if self defense using deadly force is warranted
     
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    He was a threat to the public. Less of the police.
     
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    I'm not literally saying you said the word should, I'm saying it's the same thing. You're point is that you think "police should....".
     
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    How was he a threat to the public when no one was around but the police.
     
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    As you have stated, just by action alone. With this comes the weight of experience in similar situation as well as the type of person you are engaging in conversation with. Taking this into consideration, one cannot assume either way that the man who was MURDERED in Tulsa has a history with the Tulsa Police Department, nor what type of person the victim was. For people to automatically assume that he did something wrong, goes to the belligerence that I mentioned in a previous post. Now multiply that and couple that with the incident that culminated in a man's MURDER by a member of the Tulsa PD. and you may begin to realize why myself and others who have been in this country for quite some time, and then you will comprehend why I do not trust government(s) nor their agencies, which include cops.
     
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    Superbad, that is what you call phishing for justification, which goes with why I mentioned the Central Park Jogger incident. No matter what, because of belligerence and anatomist, the Black guy had have done something wrong to justify the police action. That is called plausible justification, being that said person was not their to see the totality of events, including what I mentioned in a previous post in reference to the history of the Tulsa PD and the history of the victim, said person assumes that the Black Man was in the wrong. Even with the video that I posted, the victim did comply, but you-know-who is adamant that he did not comply. Parataxic distortion is what it is called.
     
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    He had been a threat the whole time when he was in the public. The police aren't psychic, you NEVER know where a pedestrian could be standing. Even in a house a stray bullet can penetrate and kill. Or in a car. Or some dude jogging thousands of feet away.

    The unknown is not certain. Police will never have total control over someone during a tense situation where the criminal is refusing commands. There's an inconstant variable.
     
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    Nothing 'racist' about what I said; your racism is of course always on display, and always silly. Name any white guy who got multi-million dollar settlements for what King did; the answer is zero, because white neighborhoods aren't looking for stupid idiotic pretexts to loot liquor stores and burn their towns down.
     
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    REALLY?! He was on a HIGHWAY WITH NO ONE ELSE AROUND. HOW WAS HE A DANGER TO "THE PUBLIC"? Cognitive dissonance.
    I think that we are experiencing a situation where a person is experiencing a MELTDOWN!
     
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    So what? How does an officer know that there's no homes there? No jogging trails? People have shot a gun in the air and it's hit someone a mile away.

    Giving a thug who refuses to obey any demands and is EVADING, the benefit of the doubt? Haha, that's insane. Hence why this officer was let off because she was doing her job.
     
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    A stray bullet from what? the assumed gun he didn't have? are cops allowed to believe everyone is armed hiding a gun on his person or vehicle then justifying them to shot because they didn't obey a command? so now disobeying an officer is paramount to a death sentence is that your argument?
     
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    Now you change the dialogue. At first you say that he (the victim) was a danger to "the public", now you are labeling the victim a criminal. Do your mental gymnastics have any end to them? As for me, I am are going to assume, like you and they do, that cops are the thuggish criminals that they prove themselves to be ALL OF THE TIME!
     
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    Yes they are, according to the illogical of ArmySoldier. There is one catch though, the person has to be Black, you know, all of we Black Men are hip-hoppers, who tote guns, sell and use narcotics, and shoot wildly into the air. That guy is a walking encyclopedia of stereotypical metaphors.
     
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    a reasonable person doesn't believe all cops are out to get them just like a reasonable person aren't racist you cant use the reasonable person standard based on an individuals own experiences because that would allow one to defend them selves based on perceived threats based on a stereotype
    for example lets say one has been violently assaulted by a black men numerous times and because that past experiences with black man he believes black men are a threat just because they are black so he fears for his life every time a black man approaches him
     
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    you know stereotyping is a two way street you believe cops are out to get blacks because from your own personal experience you have seen many do so
    now that can go the other way also what about ones that are violently assaulted by black men numerous times does that one then have the right to believe that all black men are no good and to fear them?
     
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    What made him a threat to the public, that makes no sense whatsoever.

    So now if you think someone is a threat to the public shoot first ask questions later.
     
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    Was that her first day on the job, she is suppose to have knowledge of the area she patrols.

    Why is he a thug? Do you consider Ben Carson a thug, given his so called background.
     
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    Do they apply the same rule to white men?
     
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    That's all it is.

    So do you think that they should have just shot Mr King?
     
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    I am fully aware that categorizing cops as MURDERERS is. My categorization of them comes from personal experience. I will always categorize them as MURDERERS because that it what they are currently and traditionally. I come from a historical perspective with this. The first experience that my people, those who were chattel slaves in these United States had and have with supposed law enforcement was with the Paddy Rollers. The Paddy Rollers roamed the towns and rural areas of this country searching for runaway slaves, and just as their modern-day progenitors, cops view all Black Men and males as criminals, whether we are criminals or are not criminals. This has been my experience with them. Another experience with them is even if they know that said Black Man or male is not a criminal, they seek ways to justify their evil behaviors towards and judges will always side with them. See, my categorization of cops as murderers and thugs is completely justified, because of my personal experience with said persons. Add to this, the reality that in these and the United States, their is a mentality of Black being everything negative under the Sun, ArmySoldier is a prime example of said mentality. Cops come from this same society and country, and even most of the foreign-born ones come from nations that also have histories of severe hatred of Black people through their religions and societal practices. So it is prudent for me to dislike them and to stay as far away from such people as I possibly can. My categorization(s) come partly from my own self-interest of bodily integrity, and mental well-being.
     
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    Here you go:
    Any more denials and questions that you need answering?

    Mr. Kelly Thomas [​IMG]
     
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    then you shouldn't have any problem with blacks being categorized as violent thugs because the majority of violent crimes are committed by blacks
    like I said stereotyping is a two way street if your going to stereotype then you need to except all stereotyping
     
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    Which did not occur here so what is your point?
     
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    Why shouldn't I have a problem with it, when it is a proven pattern of behavior with cops and the same behavior is supported by the general majority of this nation? You know the old, "He had to be doing something." routine to justify the wickedness of cops against Black people, Black Men in particular. See, my categorization of cops being MURDERERS of Black Men, in particular, is not costing the lives of cops, so you attempt at comparative analysis falls short. Again, in no way is my categorizing cops as MURDERERS of Black Men, causing cops to lose their lives. Never has and NEVER WILL.
     
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    Well are you willing to categorize white males as violent thugs also, since the DOJ says you commit the most violent crimes.
     

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