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Mohammad said some good things, to be sure, but in a free society, if we see atrocities (such as Muslims approving of Mohammad raping captives and killing gays), then we MUST SLANDER the original source of that atrocity (the Qur'an/Mohammad/Islam.) We have a DUTY to slander Mohammad if, repeat if, we find objectionable parts of the Islamic texts.

Mohammad advocated charity - good....Mohammad advocated chopping off hands and feet - horrific! You lose, Obama, we must "slander".

 

The OT has bad things in it? Please tell us the worst parts, off the top of your head.

 

Truer words were never spoken.
If YOU, TK, has Jesus' alleged magic super-powers, would YOU have come down w/in the last, say 1000 years and told humanity which parts of the Bible are wrong? I would have, because I'm a Modern Secular Humanist, therefore more ethical than Jesus. But what about you, TK?

 

I don't have the Old Testament memorized, but here are a few:

Deuteronomy 25:11-1: If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

You shall acknowledge no God but me. . . . You are destroyed, Israel. . . . The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. (Hosea 13:4, 9, 16 NIV)

 

You don't seem highly capable of making ethical decisions then. What if I, like, say, God/Jesus, believed that women should shut the hell up in church (like it says in New Testament First Corinthians 14:33–35)...can you fully condemn God/Jesus for being so barbaric and hateful towards women, TK?



“.....women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church” - First Corinthians 14:33–35 (ESV)

 

If a person believes in a religion that merits skepticism and scrutiny, then we owe it to ourselves to point out the flaws. The sooner humanity gets over the antiquated idea of religion, the better off we will be. Religion does not deserve any kind of a pass. It needs to parsed with all other ideologies as we move forward.

 

I am going to choose to judge people based on their actions and words as individuals. I don't think attempting to judge a group of over a billion people is going to be accurate.

 

I don't bother responding to racism

 

There is an appropriate setting and way to discuss things like religion with believers. If you want to have a social relationship with them you have to treat them the way you would want to be treated.

 

Wow. Great post. What kind of barbarian would give their children this garbage of a book and say "this is the best book of all time, we base our overall belief system on this book"!? Wow. Hitler's book Mein Kampf seems tame by comparison to God/Jesus book! Wow, worse than Hitler.

 

I make ethical decisions just fine thanks!

Again, the religious texts are fraught with all kinds of horrible stuff. I'll choose to judge people on things they do and say, not on the contents of a book they like/read.

 

I don't know about you, but I can see why some of them are pissed.

Iraq Death Toll Reaches 500,000 Since Start Of U.S.-Led Invasion,

 

God/Jesus does of course NOT "treat them the way you would want to be treated" because God/Jesus would of course NOT want to be sent to be savagely tortured in a "lake of fire" if he simply picked a different god than the chosen god in one particular book! I respect YOU more than I respect God/Jesus.

 

How many Christians do you think actually read the bible, much less the Old Testament? How many go to church with any regularity?

There are many Christians in the world and most of them are hardly looking to the Old Testament for advice.

 

If they just "read" the book, sure, fine, no problem - but if they teach their children that an "all-knowing, all-loving, creator of the whole universe approves of this (barbaric) book", THEN they need to be judged very very harshly! This barbaric book teaches magic, and superstition, and fear over science, logic, and reason.

 

Does that same logic hold true for believers of any and all ideologies? Or is religion somehow different?

 

Yes, because Jesus is not actually real Church attendance is falling as fast as Microsoft stock.

 

I think much of the New Testament and Jesus himself does preach a sort of "treat them the way you would want to be treated" attitude. There are some parts that are a bit more radical, but those are not the norm.

I will say the concept of eternal damnation makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

Probably.

I think people want to be treated with respect, particularly when discussing issues that are important to them and their identity.

 

The #1 selling book of all time - and you're trying to imply that it's not read???

 

So therefore Jesus was likely a pure con-artist, ala L. Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith Jr., Mohammad, David Koresh, etc.

 

Unfortunately the TRUTH hurts sometimes....for example: Christians seem less ethical than even chimps when Christians, say, give their impressionable young children a book that says to kill gays, and that gays can't get into heaven, no matter how ethical they might be. I doubt chimps are that hateful.

 

I have read a good deal of it and I think I am in the minority. Particularly when spending time with Christians.

Atheists tend to out score all religions when tested on religious knowledge, you probably already know that though.
http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey/

 

If he was actually going around claiming to be the son of god, born of a virgin, then yeah he's a con-artist.

 

The barbaric Christian hero-god KILLED UNTOLD NUMBERS OF INNOCENT CHILDREN (example: some of the first-born sons of Egypt), so of course no ethical person can say to themselves "yes, this god sounds like a good ethical god to believe in - I'm perfectly ok with killing innocent babies!" Well, as least none that are not currently residing in a padded cell.