Uh oh, Sondland Revises Impeachment Testimony

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  1. Rush_is_Right

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    Ahh Lee, you have had quite the celebration here and I hate to spoil the party but you forgot about something.

    It's kinda important, I am surprised you forgot about it!

    Barr and Durham. Did you really forget?
     
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    Speaking of assumptions, you must be assuming that Trump and Sondland are stupid. Do you expect them to say, "Zelensky, using military aid provided by the U.S. Congress, I am bribing you to dig up dirt on my political opponent, Joe Biden."

    The only evidence you would accept is Trump's admission of extortion and requesting foreign interference in our next election. Everything else is assumed or second or third hand. That is ludicrous, and you know it.

    BTW, Sondland testified to what he told a Ukrainian official. That is first hand knowledge.

    The code word is Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company. On the board of Burisma was one Hunter Biden. Trump wanted Burisma investigated. In other words, he wanted Hunter Biden and his father investigated just as he said in the July 25 phone call.

    The Hill reports, "Volker said he was never aware of any interest by Trump in Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, and that he only learned of Trump’s desire for investigations linked to former Vice President Joe Biden when he read the transcript of the president’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky."
     
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    I've read the testimony revision a couple of times, but not the original testimony or Volker's. So forgive me if this is something already contained in one of the other original testimonies. At least based on the revision, I didn't see any lines (correct me if I'm wrong), where Sondland is affirming that aid to Ukraine was held up pending an announcement of an investigation into the origins of the Russia probe and Burisma.

    He does say in the first few lines that Taylor and Morrison made such claims. He later mentions aid would be withheld until an anti-corruption statement is made. However, he does not appear to substantiate what the contents of this anti-corruption statement would need to contain (such as specifically mentioning origins of the Russia probe or Burisma).

    The final line is the closest he seems to come: "although I have no specific recollection of phone calls during this period with Ambassador Taylor or Mr. Morrison, I have no reason to question the substance of their recollection about my September 1 conversation with Mr. Yermak." So it sounds to me like he is just saying that he cannot confirm what Taylor / Morrison have said, but also has no reason to deny their claims.

    Given this information, it would seem like the quote from TPM is a mischaracterization of Sondland's revision.
     
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    Op knows this, he just wants to keep the doubt out there. His hatred of Trump is on full display.
     
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    "I would like you to do us a favor though." Top of page 3, https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...elensky/4b228f51-17e7-45bc-b16c-3b2643f3fbe0/

    Reader will also find this in the transcript of the July 25 call.

    Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

    A lot of people, including Trump himself, have overlooked that part of the phone call.
     
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    So Biden is free to commit a crime because he is in the race for prez? No sandy, he is not.
     
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    So you got nothing except projecting what you want to be true. Do you realize how whacked that is to even consider for the removal of a U.S. President? You have to do WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better.

    At this time, you're not even close, but likely in denial of that fact.
     
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    We are still laughing at you. Democrats are going to get washed out in 2020. It will be entertaining to watch the ongoing meltdown continue.
     
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    Don't forget Barr and Durham.
     
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    R.I.P. NO QUID PRO QUO.
     
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    For Joe Biden, am I right?
     
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    Crazed Democrats Election Year Stunt.

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    Transcript of Ukraine Envoy Kurt Volker’s Testimony Released – Confirms Zero Quid Pro Quo in Trump’s Dealings with Ukraine

    What completely obliterates this new scam cooked up by the Deep State-Democrat media complex is that the delayed military aid was released to Ukraine without any actions taken by Zelensky.

    In other words, no one was strong-armed, there was no pressure, no quid pro quo.

    Even though Quid Pro Quos are quite common in foreign relations, see Joe Biden forcing a nation to fire their top prosecutor with a 6 hour deadline.

    Trump provided the aid without any actions taken by Zelensky.

    House lawmakers asked Volker, “Did President Trump ever withhold a meeting with President Zelensky or delay a meeting with President Zelensky until the Ukrainians committed to investigate the allegations that you described concerning the 2016 election?”

    Volker: “The answer to the question is no…

    Even though a Quid Pro Quo is fine, there wasn't one.
     
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    I haven't forgotten. Not that it has anything to do with further confirmation of how Trump was using the means at his disposal (his hand picked lackey, Sondland) to try to corrupt Ukraine while pretending to be concerned about corruption.
    As for Billy the Bagman and his Quixotic mission, on Don's behest, to de-legitimize the investigations in to the Tweeter-in-Chief, that's for you.......not for me. Meaning, it's a dog and pony show for the minion's entertainment. It's Billy prostituting himself by order of the boss.......which is a subversion of the line that is supposed to exist between every prez and the DoJ.
     
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    In short,,, which time did he lie: Before or after Schiff threatened him?
     
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    Perhaps after last night in Kentucky, Reps are seeing that they may not have to side with Trump in order to protect themselves...
     
  16. Lee Atwater

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    What they are asking themselves is................is trying yourself to the Divider-in-Chief a plus or a minus for re-election? That depends entirely on what state you are from.
     
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    As an aside, it should be noted Sondland..........like all people who associate with Trump..........is a scumbag liar who never should have been within 10,000 miles of a US diplomatic position. He should be charged with perjuring himself.
     
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    Except that is not what Sondland said.

    From the transcript in your link:

    Where in that did Sondland state that the "aid would be contingent upon the government of Ukraine publicly announing it would investigate the origins of the Russia probe and a gas company on which former Vice President Joe Biden's son sat."

    What is being done here is conflating one thing with another in order to put forth a narrative.
     
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    Agreed. But I'm certain Kentucky was considered a safe state to tie oneself to POTUS...until last night. It is going to require some individual thought going forward. Or, heaven forbid, just do the right thing according to conscience without worrying about the next day's tweetfest.
     
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    good point.
     
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    Personally, I doubt it. They may not want him to campaign for them because the guy is becoming toxic, but they also don't want to avoid a twitter attack. They would have to all coordinate so as not to give Trump time to attack them all. Best outcome for the Republican Party, and maybe for the country, is that Trump gets removed by the Senate at the same time that Twitter shuts down his account.
     
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    Poor Lindsay is running out of places to hide.
     
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    When you are testifying UNDER OATH are you allowed do overs with no repercussions?????Shouldn't he be charged with perjury???
     
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    even if he had, Trump could have gone after him through proper channels, holding up aid to get a foreign government to announce an investigation against your political opponent is what has Trump in deep water
     
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