Unfinished receivers, lets some get around the law

So, the rules and the dialect are different regarding that. If I saw an AR being offered as an "inch pattern", I would think it refers to the purported accuracy, if not for having read your post.
I wonder what's different, that would keep one from using an un-serialized FN/FAL lower with a common American upper?

 

Rifles and pistols group, shotguns pattern unless it's slugs. Although you can have a pattern to your rifle group.
That said I had no idea what he was talking about either.

Are you saying these common American uppers are not serialized/registered?

 

Wow! I thought the Egg Killer would know this.
It's the lower that is considered the "gun", because it houses the fire control group. I guess it's because the Gov. wants to keep us from getting full auto lowers.
You can order a complete upper online, or buy it over the counter from anyone who sells them. This has wreaked havoc on the budgets of a lot of shooters, because the truly demented want every caliber that can be supported by their single lower. I think it's cool because your uber varminter can be switched to a very capable medium game gun very quickly. Maybe have to mess with recoil springs. Here's one of the more popular switches:
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/
Let's see if we can mess with your budget a little... It's a very simple matter to switch an AR-15 to .204R!

 

"endowed by our creator"

 

Its illegal to have a homemade bomb too but you can get all the pieces needed at your local hardware store.

What's the point of this thread?

 

We have a lot of violent obama voters in the hood killing each other over illegal drugs or gang violence that Switzerland does not have.

 

Sorry to have to correct you, yet again.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10359225
http://origin.swissinfo.ch/eng/authorities-target-brutal-gang-violence/6725574

 

If someone has the tools and know how to finish an 80% receiver, would they not have the know how to mill out a 0% receiver?

Seems like a pointless worry.

 

It's not illegal to make a homemade gun.

https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf-files/0813-firearms-top-12-qas.pdf

 

Can't use more than ten imported parts in making a non-sporting rifle or shotgun.

https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf-files/0813-firearms-top-12-qas.pdf

 

its all about making it a little bit harder. I agree its pointless. You can beat an ak out of a shovel blade FFS

 

A little bit harder is ridiculous when they already have the means and know how to accomplish the task.

 

Agreed. Wait til 3d printers go down in cost enough for normies to own. Then you're going to see some progressive heads explode.

 

That is so true... when finished the only function it will performed will be to expel a projectile when the trigger is pulled. 99.99999999 % of the owners will use this function in a peaceful and legal manner.

 

You can't guarantee either the legality of the owner or the use. The fact that the purchaser is willing to sidestep the law suggests otherwise on both counts.

 

what it does say is that you cannot kneel before another other than God...something like this, "You cannot serve two masters, you will rebel in the end against both."
You can resist and defend.

 

With luck we'll see some plastic guns exploding when idiots try to fire them

 

There's no "sidestepping" involved. There are things that are legal and then there are things that are illegal. This is one of the legal things.

 

IKR! I also get a thrill out of the prospect of people harming themselves...oh, wait, I'm not a psychopath so actually, no, I don't.

 

What law is being sidestepped? You are legally allowed to produce your own guns, provided that you don't use more than ten imported parts, and that the gun you build is legal to own. (Can't legally make a machine gun for your own use)

 

They've got 3d metal printed guns now... you know that right? And right now 3d printers that can work in metal are expensive like computers were expensive when they first came out. The more the tech is refined and proliferated the cheaper it gets. Give it a minute.

 

So a family goes on a desert shoot with some AR-15's and allows the kids to safely shoot these weapons.... and you would wish these guns to explode?



Here is my 11 year old son getting ready to shoot one just recently. You want this gun to explode?

Your comment is complete garbage.

 

Thats a misleading article. Firearms made from unfinished receivers are a very, very small contributor to gun crime. I can't even find statistics on unfinished receivers and gun crime in the US, only a few isolated cases (such as Zawahri) and a lot of rhetoric by gun banners.

Most of the examples are in Mexico, not the US, and even in Mexico there are few cases of unfinished receivers in crime. Most of the "homemade guns" (notice the article talks about "homemade guns" in Mexico) recovered in Mexico are not from these 80% receivers but are true homemade guns - such as guns made from a pipe, a nail, and a rubber band.

Remember, if there are zero crimes with guns built from an unfinished receiver, and Zawahri shows up, we go from 0 to 1 but banners run around claiming "unfinished receivers are showing up in more and more crimes".


And, really, does this make sense? In the US its pretty darn easy to get a gun. Even a person who cannot legally buy/own a firearm can get one (black market, etc). Is a criminal really going to get a blank, machine it, figure out what parts he needs and buy them, assemble it, make sure it works (machining and assembly is easy, but not that easy), and then commit a crime?


These blanks have been around for decades. You can make any firearm you want using "80% parts" or even starting from scratch with a block of steel or aluminum (mechanical design files including the CAD programs are available on the web, and they have been for decades) as long as its for your own use and not for sale. There are probably 100's of 1,000's of these guns in the US. Only a couple of these guns have been used in a crime.


What this really is about is the gun banners have been thwarted in their banning attempts and are looking for fringe items they can try to exaggerate into a real issue, and want to use to tighten the screws on gun rights.

 

Not in Colorado.

 

Red herrings and appeals to the emotions don't work with me. If you can afford to buy your kids guns off the shelf why would you need to go to the trouble of printing one?
Don't you have enough of the wretched things in America already?