Universal Salvation, is everybody eventually led back to heaven/paradise/love?

I personally am of the opinion that God....formed everything in existence out of Super Strings and Super Waves/Super Energetic Matter!!??


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=342919

In the Beginning... was Super Strings and Super Waves/ Super Energetic Matter!

I have came to believe that the G-d of Abraham/YHWH/ Allah.... in a sense evolved or learned and got better and better and better at creating...... over infinite time in the past..... Fundamental energy operates at some TRILLIONS the level of energy attainable in a particle accelerator... and since it can neither be created nor destroyed.... fundamental energy must have been moving which implies... that Teilhard's Law of Complexity Consciousness would go into action?????!!!!!!!

Here is a visionary account of somebody who may have perhaps viewed Super Strings (as worms) and Super Waves/ Super Energetic Matter... as a lake of fire??????!!!!!!

Due to his religious beliefs what he saw scared the daylights out of him and he has been out preaching ever since... but.... his visionary experience may give us an idea of what fundamental energy might perhaps look like????!!!!

 

I just got sent a message about a visionary experience that was apparently approved by the Catholic Church. It is kind of scary....... but the branching of time itself into many many many Ezekiel 37 type resurrections is the loophole that takes us from a "many called/few chosen" scenario.... to one of universal salvation...... (I think)!!!???

https://www.olrl.org/doctrine/cry.shtml
Cry of a Lost Soul
And the Lesson that it Teaches.....

 

In the purgatory that Annette finds herself in................ whatever she believes about the plan of G-d.... .and about the nature of others........ is a reflection of what is still in her own heart/mind.......... Only somebody still capable of condemning others for eternity..... could believe that G-d has a plan to condemn others for eternity?????!!!!!

 

OverDrive..... is it necessary for somebody who is Jewish to know Messiah Jesus/ Yeshua by name..... or is it OK for them to just think of him as the Messiah?

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism02.html

 

So, I'm curious. Do you consider all lucid dreams to be prophecies which reveal hidden truths that cannot be observed within the natural world in which we exist?

 

The phrase "all lucid dreams" is rather broad........ but I am of the opinion that some lucid dreams can be prophetic....... and in one sense......… we can learn something of value from virtually all of them!

 

If time indeed branches and branches and branches and branches......… as Christian Andreason was shown.... then a lucid dream or vision of some type.... that does not come to pass........... if it was negative.... could be termed successful if it altered our behavior sufficiently for us to have a positive effect on the future that we live out now!


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research32.html#a02

 

"Heaven is a place of "ultimate Love" "Our thoughts are not like God's thoughtsand our ways are not like God's ways."

1) No human knows what Heaven consists of
2) If God's ways were "all love" then who created Earth.

 

Well, you have the right to believe whatever makes you happy, I suppose. I personally don't believe in prophecy, since an ability to know the future implies that humans do not possess free will.

 

In a sense....... all of us created this earth with its nearly total freedom to spin off our lives into such destructive patterns......… I have heard that Eve and Adam took of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.... out of a sense of INSECURITY and INFERIORITY............… this makes a lot of sense...… but one of the major lessons we are being shown is that our worst acts and thought patterns of the past...… can become an asset rather than a liability..... if we will admit that we were far away from the ideal of love......… and admit that we are flawed and human much like all other seven billion people here........ This transformation of our flaws into an asset.... could be termed Bill Wilson Effect after the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous and ties in with the Jewish fast of Yom Kippur/ The Day of Atonement!

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Good point.... my belief is in many possible future.... as well as many actual futures... that are technically in the past..... as was seen in the Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow study!

 

This map of the USA that was seen by over 2000 volunteers... could have happened in another time line..... even though it obviously did not occur in our time line.....

http://www.baproducts.com/chetmap.htm

AMERICA IN THE NEW MILLENNIUM
After the major Earth Changes 1998-2012 AD
as foreseen in Mass Dreams of the Future
by Dr. Chet B. Snow

 

All of this is one of the possible....... implications of String Theory and GUT.. (Grand Unified Theory):..

 

In general I liked the initial post.. the only issue being the claims to know things that we do not. The idea of re-incarnation, improving to the next level hopefully over time is a good one.

The Story of Adam and Eve is a bit of an oddity.

Assume "Loving intelligent rational Creator God"

This God creates two beings, creates them innocent... not knowing Good from Bad, right from wrong. Like a baby to some degree.

This baby is left in the care of "The greatest deceiver of all time with God-like powers". Kind of like leaving a baby with an Adult. an authority figure who the baby trusts.

The baby has been told not to touch the hot stove. God has told the baby not to touch the hot stove but also knows that the Adult is going to attempt to get the baby to touch the hot stove.

It would be foolish to expect that the Adult is not going to win the battle of wills, in fact, in the case of the Garden Adam and Eve had no chance. None Zero.

They were placed into battle in an arena where they were so out-classed that they had zero chance of winning. Satan knew this, God knew this, and so did all the other God's Goddesses.

God then comes back into the Garden and is "surprised" ?? Of course not. God knew what the outcome of the battle was going to be.

Even so God acts as if there were another outcome possible and punishes Adam and Eve. He punishes them for something that he had done to them. God had set them up to fail and then punishes them for this failure.

This is not exactly what one would call loving or rational behaviour.

 

I believe that our spirit is eventually led back to a new body or new object some time after our body dies or after our spirit leaves. If you want to call that time period before our spirit is given or finds a new temporary host a heaven or paradise then that's fine with me, but I believe that eventually our spirit unites with something else and then something else after that. When the Earth herself passes or changes form in a way that life as we know it changes then most likely our spirits may be ushered into a new part of the vast universe and the cycle continues.

 

Good points!!!!

One of the best analogies that I can compare the Adam/Eve/Lucifer/Lilith story to….. is what we will soon be facing ourselves as technology increases.


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=354772


If we invent super intelligent androids... how could we test them?
Might we perhaps invent some sort of virtual reality holographic environment where the attitude and character of an android can be tested to see if they will behave in a manner that is altruistic and humble?

The analogy to Adam, Eve, Lucifer and his angels should be obvious!

Is our creator going to scale back human freedom of choice somewhat over the coming centuries in order to produce a genuinely peaceful and utopian world?

Near death experiencer Howard Storm:

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http://www.near-death.com/storm.html#a04

Of course… it is only natural that we humans…. tend to focus on ourselves…. but maybe the Creator was going all out to attempt to bring Lucifer and Lilith to some form of salvation?

Perhaps the spiritual beings who became Adam and Eve…… previous to their being given a human body….. knew all about the bigger plan that the Word/Logos really had in mind?

 

Impressive answer Tal!!!!!

What you wrote corresponds extremely well with what near death experiencer Christian Andreason was shown!!!


http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

(Christian Andreason chapter 2)

 

It's an interesting read, but I differ in that I don't believe in only one single god.

 

An interesting point…… in Genesis the Word/Logos is quoted as saying: Genesis 1:26
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"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

A near death experiencer wrote that she was shown that there are 14 Elohim…. seven male and seven female……….. She wrote that all human beings on earth are fractals of these 14 Elohim…. I thought that she had an interesting theory!

It would certainly help to explain the idea of Michael, Gabriel and Lucifer being asked to bow to Adam that I read about in the Apocalypse of Moses as well as in the Koran!

The less on from this would be that beings who are given higher positions of power and responsibility should use their power to benefit the people or animals or angels…. who have less power and ability!

 

The descent into Egypt is spirit’s descent into matter (a numerously repeated but disguised theme in the Bible), the bottomless pit, hell, in other words the cosmic crucible, the sun, which for that part of the quaternary (40 years symbolically) does not support any life, even for a long time after it stops burning and exists as utter waste and desolation, except as potential for life’s eventual exit from matter. The Bible is so often unworkable in literal terms that another interpretation is necessary in order to make sense of it.

 

The power of the mind affecting random distribution has been tested and proven. Therefore consciousness is real. God is the higher consciousness. All of us and everything in the universe are proof of an enormous organizing power and a creative master intelligence. Dig deeper if you want to get down to the real nitty gritty. Give up thinking that the only reality is the one handed to you on a solid platter. Game on (our reality), but the point of this game can’t be grasped without pursuing the bigger picture.

Someone once wrote, I am what you made me, I hope you’re satisfied.

No problem. There’s no blame for starting at kindergarten (our reality), but we are stuck here until enough of us qualify for something better.

 

Who do you think is behind the questionable aspects of this seductive story, an inconsistent God, or a power-seeking priest bent on subjugating the minds of the masses?

 

These are all reconciled in the same link given previously, i.e.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGGHiCupgI8

 

For God to have done it one would need to assume God was full of petty human characteristics and had not gained much wisdom over countless eons of God's existence.

The story is allegorical (a story that is supposed to convey a meaning). That the origin of this story (and Genesis in general up to the flood) is taken from Sumerian lore and creation myths is pretty much accepted fact by anyone who studies these ancient stories with any objectivity.

 

For one to assume that God was full of "petty human characteristics" one would first have to assume that God does in fact exist. Existence as defined by many people relates to the physical world. So why are you desiring to place God in physical existence, when science will not touch the subject of God and His existence due to the fact that science has not detected anything that they can classify as God? Is this some sort of head-game that you are involved in?

To some who understand the 'story' it does convey a meaning. To others it don't. Heavy metal music conveys a 'meaning' to some people but not to all... the same is true with any other aspect of the human existence. Some will receive meaning and some won't.... regardless of the field which is named as the subject of such contemplation.