Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018

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  1. Brewskier

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    This group on the left has created a situation in society where if something is labeled “racist” that automatically makes it wrong and morally reprehensible. Never mind the fact that they are constantly explanding their definition of “racism” all the time in the hopes of clamping down more and more views that they either don’t have an argument against or poses a threat to their rule over us.
     
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    Well I’ve said plenty that they would consider racist, but their definitions are on shifting sands and don’t really mean much. I will say I am definitely not a fan of diversity and I believe the more homogenous a nation is, the stronger it is. They oppose that view, and I have given the reasons why they oppose that view. It is for very, very sinister reasons.
     
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    Didn't I just clarify it?

    Me too.

    Why would donald, whose 71 and a candidate for president know anything about David Duke or white supremacists? That's really what you're asking?

    Here. These sources contain explanations and links explaining why.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-absurd-claim-he-knows-nothing-about-former-/
    https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/

    Why did you dodge the rest of my post?

    No, it is not enough. You asked me to name racists so you could condemn them also. I've done what you asked. Why are dodging?

    This is an unequivocal statement supporting fascism to enforce a white majority and white supremacist laws.

    But you won't acknowledge that is racist. You refuse to condemn it. And you are defending his statements.

    Fair enough. You are free to clarify you position, but your refusal to recognize that fascist, racist statement for what it is tells me where you really stand on the issue.

    Seems to me that your repeated attempts to defend or dodge condemning those racist, fascist and anti-semitic statements puts you in the same camp as the person making them.
     
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    Okay but lets specify that this just represents your view of things. It's by no means scientific or documented.



    Alright. This seems like a more reasonable stance though I will say what makes one a "racist" is a highly subjective matter.

    Some people believe that opposing illegal immigration, reparations or racial set asides is a racist view. All these issues are nuanced I believe and don't easily make one a racist, per se.

    Meanwhile on the academic left the white race is seen as a contaminant that should be isolated and contained but I'm not about to claim a good percentage of leftists back such a crazy radical view. As usual we disagree over the details.
     
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  5. Brewskier

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    What’s wrong with protecting the white majority? You’re aware this country was intended to be majority white, and was overwhelmingly white for almost all of its history? We had laws that protected this as recent as 54 years ago.
     
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    Frank Dobbs, who was just shown Brewskier's unequivocal statement:

    states he has never seen Brewskier submit anything 'racist'.

    For Frank, "endorsing fascism" for the US so it will be a "white majority country with white supremacist laws" is not a racist, or fascist apparently, statement.

    Another of our RW members shows his true colors.
     
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  7. Brewskier

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    Maybe Frank Dobbs doesn’t have the same problem with deporting illegal aliens and retaining the white majority as you would. Ever think of that?
     
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    I would think that that was obvious in the context. I agree that "a large number" is vague and would by definition reflect an opinion, not a specific fact.

    Not necessarily. Some statements or behaviors leave room for interpretation. Others don't.

    I've never said that. Nor have I ever called out someone as a racist for expressing that view.

    You'll have to take it up with the academic left.
     
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    Your comfort level does nothing to convince me. More than anything, I'm disappointed that you will spin such flimsy, unlinkable evidence into a sweeping conclusion.
     
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    Thanks for sharing your opinion. I disagree with it and stand by my post.

    But speaking of opinions, I gave you the opportunity share your opinion on Brewskier's statements here, in your previous post about my "mistaken bias":

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...fa-act-of-2018.537210/page-28#post-1069343177

    You dodged addressing or answering that post. Why is that?

    Tell us what *you* think of Breskier's statements, and whether you defend them or whether you agree with me they reflect support for racist and fascism (and antisemitism). Then we can properly evaluate your your "disappointment" in my posts.
     
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    Question for the mods. This is at least the 2nd thread, both hundreds of posts long, that Irie has done absolutely nothing except posting a quote of Brewskier, and repeatedly asking everyone if they agree or disagree with it.

    Can someone explain why and how this type of blatant trolling is allowed?
     
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    As I’ve defined my statements several times in this thread. Deport all illegal immigrants, repeal the 1965 immigration act that dramatically and permanently changed the demographic and political landscape of this country, and enact policies that protect the white majority, that has created this country and has existed since the beginning.

    I invite all conservatives to weigh in on these things and decide for themselves if this is really fascist or not. I think these are MUCH more palatable to the Soviet-lite progressivism that Iriemon supports.
     
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  13. Brewskier

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    You’d think PF’s #1 poster would respect the rules of the site after 80,000 posts. Although here he is defending the lawless Antifa group. Clearly this attorney has a questionable adherence to the concept of rules.
     
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    These statements were only brought up in the context of people questioning me about my posts.

    As an example, when I stated my opinion that "it appears (this thread being an example) that there are fairly large number of Republicans who would like to return to those racist policies of the 1950s," Frank Dobbs disputed that claim and stated I "couldn't name any names". That was the only reason I named names.

    Responding to direct request and challenges is not trolling.

    If my intent was to troll it, I would have started a thread about his posts.
     
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    More falsehoods by Brewskier, this falsehood repeated many times.

    The record reflects my many posts denouncing Antifa.
     
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    LOL, the guy with the "give apes the vote you won't regret it avatar" is protesting that I'm all wrong about him by a racist.

    I know, I know, it's just something you find funny from a Simpson episode, it is not a racial slur, and has nothing to do with the racist views you continually espouse.

    Maybe some of your racist pals buy that lame ass explanation.
     
  17. Brewskier

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    I think it’s a pretty good critique on what “democracy” is at this point. The Simpsons writer was probably on the same page when he wrote that. I think it’ll be very apropos when you guys really start pushing for illegal aliens, ex-cons, Puerto Rican islanders, and other groups to have voting rights.
     
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    "I never claimed that either stormfront or racists represent the typical Republican or anything like that."

    Er, you haven't shown that Stormfront represents a single Republican, let alone 300,000.
     
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    Brewskier has in a number of posts in this thread claimed I have been "dishonest" and taken his statement endorsing fascism to maintain a white majority and with white supremacist laws "out of context".

    I have re-posted Brewskier's post verbatim, with the link, so anyone can go see his posts and statements in the thread themselves. However, because he has continue to make this claim that I've been "dishonest" and taken his statement out of context, I've copied the relevant posts in the other thread leading up to the post of Brewskier that I have re-posted here, so the context can be plainly seen.

    This is the thread:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...we-clean-up-this-mess-without-fascism.535978/

    To get the context, the OP in this thread called on conservatives to support a fascist government:

    The rest of the relevant part of the discussion starts with a post directly responding to the OP, and continues from there.

    +++

    #308
    #310
    #353
    #355
    #374
    #380
    #385
    #387

    #390
    #395
    #400

    +++

    And there we have it, all laid out in context.

    If someone wants to argue to me how Brewskier's statements and posts do not reflect support for fascism and racism, and that I'm wrong to call him out as fascist and racist just on these posts alone (putting aside his long history of posting racist related things) I'm certainly willing to consider it.

    But I stand by my posts.
     
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    I haven't researched any particular poll, but the racists in stormfront in my limited reviews were openly hostile to Obama and openly embracing of donald, so IMO its a pretty safe bet.

    But speaking of opinions, I gave you the opportunity share your opinion on Brewskier's statements here, in your previous post about my "mistaken bias":

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...fa-act-of-2018.537210/page-28#post-1069343177

    You dodged addressing or answering that post. Three times now. Why is that? Are you afraid of expressing your views?

    You seem to have a problem denouncing this unequivocal statement in support of facism and racism. As if you really support it.

    Stand up.

    Tell us what *you* think of Breskier's statements, and whether you defend them or whether you agree with me they reflect support for racist and fascism (and antisemitism). Then we can properly evaluate your your "disappointment" in my posts.
     
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    "I gave you the opportunity share your opinion on Brewskier's statements"


    I don't believe that is the case. I believe that the opportunity for me to comment on posts is provided by the forum.

    I believe that my choice to comment, or not comment, is my business alone. I believe that my decision to refrain from providing reviews of third-party posters, or their posts, upon request, does not justify any wild-assed inferences.

    "Tell us what *you* think of Breskier's statements, and whether you defend them or whether you agree with me they reflect support for racist and fascism (and antisemitism)."

    No.

    "Then we can properly evaluate your your "disappointment" in my posts."

    Not interested. You haven't shown me that any results of your evaluations bear consideration.
     
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    There is nothing in that thread that I haven’t already described in this one. I support deportations of all illegal immigrants. I support a repeal of the 1965 immigration bill and a return to the laws we had for most of American history. I support laws to protect the white majority and end the replacement strategy that you and yours support. Nothing too crazy about any of these, IMO. We had them for most of our history.

    And, as I already explained, Questerr, Ronstar, and you believe that the policies we had in effect for most of American history, from the beginning all the way to 1965, were “racist” and “white supremacist”. A return to those things would be “fascist” according to you and your ilk. Oh well. Regardless of what you call them, they are good ideas, and I support them. I think a lot of people would. Americans never got to vote if they wanted to be replaced. They were explicitly promised that they wouldn’t when this immigration bill was presented, in fact.

    Yes, you are leaving out this context, which I’ve explained several times now. That’s what makes your argument dishonest.
     
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    And, by the way, since you are obviously debating in good faith unlike a certain lawyer we all know, if you need or want a clarification on what I believe, feel free and ask. I think this other 3rd party source is the last place someone should go to for an honest explanation, of anything.
     
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    Why do you think I ignore the sites donation requests? Threads like this every day where they let a few members mostly all leftist just run slap the fk amok. In this case repeated personal attacks complete with quotes from other threads against Brew when their own opinion is so hysterical and erratic that I have yet in my some time here ever seen them even break even in an argument let alone win one.

    The poster you have issue with has posted more messages than nearly everyone on this forum.. They can do whatever they want. Don't ask for official help

    All of this is A ok with this site so long as your leftist. Believe it.
     
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    I see. So it is OK with you that Brewskier calls me "Antifa" despite the fact I have repeatedly denounced their actions.

    But it's a big rule violation for me to call out Brewskier as a racist and fascist when he rights posts endorsing fascism in America and calling for white supremacist laws, and he has not once denied or denounced fascism or racism.

    Congratulations. You have the typical conservative hypocrisy and double standards down pat.
     
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